Quote from Sthenno
[/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=Arial]The people who carried out this plot were doctors – do you not think they’ve already been subjected to some pretty stringent security checks?
In this case it was doctors - but as a more general principle for gaining greater security it makes sense to me to have control over who comes into the country, and to check their backgrounds properly.
are you suggesting that just because they live in England Muslims shouldn’t be allowed to retain a sense of cultural identity?!
I think there's a distinction between religion and culture. On one hand I think everyone should be free to practice their religion without persecution - be it christianity or Islam. However in terms of culture I think ideal is that they feel English, and subscribe broadly to English values - such as equal rights for women or a vauge notion of free speech. A stupidly high number (45% possibly, not sure) said they supported the introduction of islamic law to Britain - which certainly flies in the face of the equal rights part!
You said the problem wasn't diversity - but if in one nation a group of people have such a different culture to our own then diversity is surely part of the problem. Going back to equal rights for women, the culture in many muslim countries is such that just couldn't understand it. They presumably view it in a similar way that we view the stoning to death of a woman to be barbaric. If they retain that sort of cultural identity, how we deal with it then seems to become merely damage limitation.
Could you elaborate on that?
Our current foreign policy seems only one aspect. In 1993 when Islamic extremists first had a shot at the world trade centre we wern't in Afganistan or Iraq. There may have been other foreign policy greivance, I don't know, but that seems to suggest to me a pre-existing hatred. In spite of this after every terrorist attack someone points the finger at our foreign policy to score political points.
I've noticed that a lot of people who blame policy seem to have a certain agenda. If the foreign policy is the cause of this terrorism, then we're well and truely stuffed because there will always be people who object to that. I think it's very easy to loose sight of the awful nature of their intended crimes and almost start to blame ourselves, like a rape victim who can't quite get it out of her head that she's somehow to blame for being to victim of a horrific assault.
I think it does come down to cultural identity again to some extent, especially when the terrorists are home grown. If one feels English then would you attempt mass-murder in the name of protest. If you feel like an Iraqi Muslim who just happens to live in England then it'd be easy to take the view that the English, a group of which you are not a part of, are invading your country. Such people are then again prime targets for the extremist leaders.
I've not put the above sentiments very well, but then again when it comes to the vauge feelings of indentity and culture finding the right expression is always a pain >