As Janet said. I'd send some flowers tho, or make a small donation to a charity he was interested in or something. If your kids understand your reasons then that's the main thing.
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Good work Aerisje
He must have wandered a bit too far out of his comfort zone and gotten confused, poor old thing.
You need to take her to one side and tell her about the freaks that can inhabit those places. With pictures if need be. Gord knows i wish i'd been more heavy handed with mine!
Do a bit of research and find a safe fun forum or site to replace it with tho. If she doesn't listen, exaggerate the powers of the web...that you'll e-mail the admin with a pic and IP so she'll be automatically banned from the dodge ones.
Put your tampons under his pillow...only do that the day you move tho!
Jokes aside, it sounds horrendous, hope it gets sorted for you :hug:
Funny but I didn't realise who the woman was til now (just googled the story!)... basically I know her! Yes she did have a drug problem... so fooking what? She is over that and is a great woman, I met her while we were training to be welfare rights advisors... top lass!
Innit. Gawd fucking help you if you ever have a problem in your life, then find yourself in the middle of a police scandal x amount of years later.
Tried and convicted before you've had yer cornflakes.
Agreed. You beat me to to it. So thats what it takes to get famous???? I suppose after dealing with Jade Goody, a traumatised protestor will be a breeze!!!
Agreed. Im one who distrusts the police and all they stand for, im growing slowly to re'trust them again. I agree with your statement, it works both ways though. If anyone is goaded enough, they will retaliate. What makes this worse, is after being slapped, she went in for more, what did she want, a spot on TV and the book rights
If she succeeds in this crazy venture, this could open the floodgates for everyone to "sell thier story"!!! Sorry, but the footage never lies, she should seriously think bout her situation!!!!
Also, WHY is everyone concentrating on this silly bint and NOT on the bloke who died??? Oh ye, i forgot, he's not cool!!!
I can't believe this comment!
You do realise that she was at a PEACEFUL memorial FOR Iain Tomlinson, on April 2nd, don't you? He died as a result of police tactics, yet here they are the very next day, still at it!
She reacted to a guy being pushed around by the police, pushed to the ground by the throat when he was trying to pick up his paper. Now, i dunno about you, but when i've seen people pushed around unfairly in the past, in whatever situation, my automatic reaction is to go 'oi, what are you doing that for?'...which is all she did! And got a kevlar gloved backhander off a guy who was a good 1 1/2 feet taller than her, built like a brick shithouse and TRAINED TO DEAL WITH RIOT SITUATIONS. And you're here saying that the 'silly bint' more or less asked for it? Well maybe people SHOULD stick their beaks in MORE when they see someone getting uncalled for grief in the street, not less! Ever heard that advice that if you're getting sexually assaulted that you should shout 'fire' instead of 'rape' coz you're more likely to get a response? THAT'S the kind of world we're living in, and attitudes like that fucking perpetuate it.
Oh, and she didn't exactly go running to the papers now, did she? The story only broke a good 12 days later.
Get back behind yer net curtain. FFS.
Oooooh yes....there was a bit about her on the radio this morning and her publicity seeking ..........
All the usual shite was in the papers man...'accusations' of shoplifting (not convictions you'll notice!), ex-junkie, squatter (how many squatters do you know who get £50pw HB? ) exceteraaaaa
It's bollox...all designed to get peoples knees jerking.
Tis strange aint it but the woman in question was left traumatised by this incident and in the paper today she was so traumatised that she has called in Max Clifford to help her sell her story.....
I feel for ya girl...i can empathise with a lot of what you've said. I won't go into it now coz i've had a couple, but big fat hugs to ya lady :hug:
LOL @ Medusa's editing reason BTW I do that all the time when i get all passionate about a thread
What are PR people?
Am I being thick?
Public Relations...like Max Clifford.
He's the ghostbusters of the meedja....who you gonna call when you've got 50 journos camped outside your house, constantly ringing you, tracking down family, friends, anyone remotely connected to you?
Max Clifford. He's the ONLY name that we all know.
Nobody mentions the stuff he does behind the scenes...like this, taken from another forum...Quote
I've never said this before but. He is not all that he seems; he took on the 7/7 survivors and families on the first anniversary for nothing, without publicity. Before, I was getting up at 4am and working til 2am, and trying not to lose my job, taking up to 6 calls an hour from UK and international media, because I had a blog, and was therefore visible, and had somehow become the unpaid press officer and first point of contact of any journo wanting a 7/7 victim interview. I had a breakdown, he stepped in, and put 4 full time members of staff on it.
He negotiated a decent wheel chair for a double amputee, he helped people get compensation, and he protected those who did not want to speak, held the firestorm at bay, and never said a word or asked for anything. He gave me and the families over GBP100, 000 of representation for nothing.
Maybe not the demon that the papers (oh yeah, who hate him coz he's FUCKING GOOD AT HIS JOB!) make out, ey?
Can i just derail this thread slightly and ask everyone to post names of PR people please? Lets see how many we can come up with.
In 2002 a suspicious death investigation was opened after the body of Ms Sally White was discovered in a flat in London. Although the victims body showed extensive evidence of violence including bruising, a head injury and a bite mark on the inner thigh the pathologist, Dr Freddy Patel, ruled the death as natural causes by way of a a heart attack and the criminal investigation was closed. The man who lived in the flat went on to murder two other women before chopping up their bodies and dumping the body parts in bin bags. Dr Freddy Patel was not disciplined for this failure and went on to perform Mr Tomlinson's autopsy.
Although Dr Patel is a fully accredited pathologist he is not a member of the Forensic Pathology Service, a group of specialist pathologists who normally investigate suspicious deaths in the Greater London area. Dr Patel does however have quite a lot of experience in dealing with deaths in police custody. In 1999 he carried out the autopsy on Roger Sylvester who died in St Anne's Hospital, Haringey after being violently restrained by eight police officers. Mr Sylvester's death was again put down to natural causes by way of heart attack and the police were cleared of any responsibility for his death. Following the coroners inquest Dr Patel was formally reprimanded by the General Medical Council (GMC) for giving false and misleading information about the case to the press.
^^^ The pathologist who said that he died from a 'heart attack'...like most other people who die in police custody...
We were told he is a patterdale terrier but I think he is a cross. He is about six months old now but not neutered
Oh, i loooove Patterdales! I wish i was in a position to have him myself now you've said that!
There ya go, Wiggy to the rescue...the resident pet whisperer lol
Most of the witnesses are saying that a couple of plastic bottles were thrown, which missed, and it stopped when the people chucking 'em were told what was going on. They musta thought a snatch squad had just done their thing...understandable seeing as that's what had been happening throughout the day.
That video is supposed to be the 2nd time he was assaulted as well, but i don't know how accurate that is yet.
Rescue remendy worked wonders with my over-meepy cat...it was like valium to him!
Try a couple of drops in the morning and at night...take him for looooong walks in the afternoon, get him knackered out. Moving him out of the room when visitors are there could have the opposite effect to the one you want...he needs to learn how to be calm round people when he's told...he won't do that if he's shut away from them. Try putting him on a lead before answering the door...let him sniff them and briefly greet them, then when you go into the front room tell them to turn their backs to him if he tries to jump up, don't make eye contact ETC...while you tell him 'Bob (or whatever he's called) down! or Sit!' then 'stay'...don't forget to treat him when he does it. Use the lead to re-enforce it if you have to (which you will at first)
I personally wouldn't advertise in the paper...unless you're willing to properly vet the prospective owners. And i don't think it'd be fair to rehome him without a bit of basic training first...years ago i rehomed a giddy dog...he ended up back at mine after going thru another 3 owners, one of which (or even more) had obviously beaten the shit out him...he was a cringing shadow of his former self...never, ever again
so theres at least three independant witnesses who claim the this guy was assaulted and theres a picture of him lying on the floor, in the area where witnesses claim he was assaulted with the people alleged to have assaulted him standing over him
guy appears to have injuries consistant with being assaulted
the suspects appeared to be less than truthful when first describing their version of events and have since changed there story about what happened
if this was a bunch of teenagers rather than coppers wouldnt you be pushing the CPS to bring charges piggy
Good point, well fuckin' made
I'd say that was most definitely murder - and what's the betting that nobody will suffer any consequences for it?
I'd put everything i own on it.
Saw a great post about it on another forum...i'll go find it...they've got it bang on the button.
Video of Ian Tomlinson being assaulted from behind by riot police.
He collapsed 3-5 minutes later.
Police preventing ambulances from reaching him...NOT protesters.
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We're not shocked by the polices tactics at demo's... just disgusted that they use them before there is any trouble... Police are not supposed to impede peaceful protests... They are supposed to be protecting our rights...
Name the terrorist group that have the means to do what you have described... the IRA? Taliban... who???
I'm shocked that you seem to be willing to swallow the crap the government and police want us to believe... like there are large amounts of terrorists here in the UK... come on wake up... the threat of terrorism is being used to validate data bases.. id cards... restriction of rights to protest....
And now back on topic... Martin do you really think that Mr Tomlinson would have died if he had not been kept in the 'kettle' the police created?
Tekno...i think i you
Three witnesses have told the Observer that Mr Tomlinson was attacked violently as he made his way home from work at a nearby newsagents. One claims he was struck on the head with a baton. Photographer Anna Branthwaite said: "I can remember seeing Ian Tomlinson. He was rushed from behind by a riot officer with a helmet and shield two or three minutes before he collapsed." Branthwaite, an experienced press photographer, has made a statement to the IPCC.
Another independent statement supports allegations of police violence. Amiri Howe, 24, recalled seeing Mr Tomlinson being hit "near the head" with a police baton. Howe took one of a sequence of photographs that show a clearly dazed Mr Tomlinson being helped by a bystander.
A female protester, who does not want to be named but has given her testimony to the IPCC, said she saw a man she later recognised as Tomlinson being pushed aggressively from behind by officers. "I saw a man violently propelled forward, as though he'd been flung by the arm, and fall forward on his head.
"He hit the top front area of his head on the pavement. I noticed his fall particularly because it struck me as a horrifically forceful push by a policeman and an especially hard fall; it made me wince."
Mr Tomlinson, a married man who lived alone in a bail hostel, was not taking part in the protests. Initially, his death was attributed by a police post mortem to natural causes. A City of London police statement said: "[He] suffered a sudden heart attack while on his way home from work."
But this version of events was challenged after witnesses recognised the dead man from photographs that were published on Friday.
An IPCC statement was due to be released the same day and is understood to have portrayed the death as a tragic accident. However, the statement's release was postponed as the complaints body received information that police officers may have been more involved in events than previously thought. An IPCC spokesman said yesterday that in light of new statements it was "assessing" the information it had received before deciding whether to launch a full investigation.
Aah now its a conspiracy is it........
I give in....... if you want to be in the front line of a protest facing police wear a builders hard hat........:D
I wouldn't call organised police tactics a conspiracy, no. Not in that sense. I will say that there needed to be some headlines generated to justify the expense tho.
I'm the last person you should ask that question...i don't know anymore.
Witnesses Statement: Death at G20
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Various participants in the City of London demonstrations on April 1st have come forward as witnesses to the collapse of a man later identified by authorities as Ian Tomlinson. Four different university students witnessed the collapse of Mr. Tomlinson. "He stumbled towards us from the direction of police and protestors and collapsed," said Peter Apps. "I saw a demonstrator who was a first aider attend to the person who had collapsed. The man was late 40s, had tattoos on his hands, and was wearing a Millwall shirt."
While the first aider was helping the man, another demonstrator with a megaphone was calling the police over so that they could help.
Natalie Langford, a student at Queen Mary, said "there was a police charge. A lot of people ran in our direction. The woman giving first aid stood in the path of the crowd." The running people, seeing a guy on the ground, went around them.
Another demonstrator had already called 999 and was getting medical advice from the ambulance dispatcher. "Four police with two police medics came. They told her [the first aider] to 'move along'.", said Peter Apps. "Then they pushed her forcibly away from him. They refused to listen to her [the first aider] when she tried to explain his condition."
The first aider, who did not wish to be named, said "The police surrounded the collapsed man. I was standing with the person who'd called 999. The ambulance dispatcher wanted to talk to the police, the phone was being held out to them, but the police refused."
Another witness, Elias Stoakes, added "we didn't see them [the police] perform CPR."
Other people who had tried to stay with the collapsed man were also pushed away.
All of the witnesses deny the allegation that many missiles were thrown.
According to Peter Apps, "one bottle was thrown, but it didn't come close to the police. Nothing was thrown afterwards as other demonstrators told the person to stop. The person who threw the bottle probably didn't realize that someone was behind the ring of police." All the witnesses said that the demonstrators were concerned for the well-being of the collapsed man once they realized that there was an injured person.
Natalie Langford said "when the ambulance arrived the protestors got straight out of the way."
These witnesses are happy to give media statements.
dont a lot of victims of domestic violence play it down in their own minds anyway,so seeing this could just as easily make them think 'well,my mans not as bad as that'/its not really the same thing in my relationship?'
You know this. If your exact same scenario isn't played out then you can rationalise it. Not all the time, but a lot, definately.
When I watched it, I thought they chose her because you know... she's glamorous and clever and successful and someone people look up to... and domestic violence doesn't only affect the stereotypical dowdy, nervous, not-very-bright woman that most people probably see in their minds when they think about the subject. And it plays on the whole behind-the-scene thing: look how smart and confident she is, everything must be perfect in her world - abuse doesn't happen to people like her, it only happens to people who ask for it, etc.
More this ^^^
I don't really have her down as iconic and powerful TBH.
I wonder how they'd play out an emotionally abusive one? That shit cuts deep just as much...sometimes more Of course the 2 often go hand in hand...but it's hard to explain to people when there's no physical damage.
also, if i dare to say it, you love the man and keep hoping it will pass/change/be worth it
Yeah, that too of course. I've had a couple of violent relationships myself...luckily i could give as good as i got (still not good mind!) and it grinds you down 'til you're a shadow of yourself...you really don't have the strength to do anything to stop it. I applaud the women who do find that flicker of realisation and determination and get themselves the hell out of there. I hope more can find it as well. It's bullying, end of.