The worst thing about advertising in the modern world I think is for many people they think they are able to buy their happiness and it somehow validates their social standing somehow along with the more you have the better you are. I have met those without a pot to piss in and yet still manage to get the latest flat screen TV or new tablet. The 'Book of Dreams' (Argos catalogue) for example implies that anyone no matter what their circumstances can have a lovely copy cat home full of cheap crap at inflated prices and keep up with interior décor fashion. Who on earth thought of décor fashion? I have decorated our place the way we like it (as I suspect everyone on here does) not because the latest 'Rebuild, sell, buy, add a room, build a Jacuzzi in 60 minutes TV show says it is a must have. I suspect that one day soon it will be possible to never leave the house and live your life through a TV screen, learn, buy and live virtually. Anyone who tries to live for themselves will be thought of as weird, like we aren't already!
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It is up with advertising like 'McD's sells food that is full of goodness, Iceland sells real food and my particular favourite is around Christmas that the more you buy the content your life will be! Sadly nothing is sacred anymore and everything is geared for selling useless crap that will make your life better whilst sucking out any need for trying, imagination or thinking too hard for yourself.
There is always the Ural 750 Russian motorcycle combination. I towed a car with mine once. It could probably be chopped and build a camper off the rear. It pulled like a train.
Always had a hankering. Love my history and some of the clothing from the past was just so practical! I got involved with the War & Peace show for a while but mainly around the old machinery motorcycle sidecars in particular. Having said that I still wear a mish mash of old military clothing.
Not for everyone but NHS bank staff and quality care agencies pay well if you have any experience in that sector.
I must be honest I do like the Stargate theory and the maths supports it somewhat. As we find out more and more the likelihood increases I think. Totally agree with you view.
He studied as an economist and political scientist and taught himself to read Sumerian as far as I can gather. I think the translations are his alone running along the lines he states. Despite appearing wacky at times I can see no reason why the translations are considered so. Anymore than other translations of other ancient languages that have resulted in huge swathes of humanity believing religious stories of old as fact. They do make sense in many instances similarly along the lines of The Mahabharata. Even though the knowledge appears impossible, when read with no slant it shows at the least an intelligence far beyond what is generally considered 'normal' for the time period.
Bentwaters, I have been lucky enough to meet some of the participants involved at the time including the original whistle-blower Larry Warren. He ruined a promising career by speaking out at the time and his life has not been easy to say the least and has never made a profit from it, anything but in fact. There are certainly more questions than answers.
I'd be more surprised if these documentaries were not sponsored through the back door in some way.
As far as distances go, I think the likelihood is that dimensional travel is more likely. As far as we know physics is the same throughout the universe and until such time as we find a fuel source that could transport any life form (in the sense of an intelligent life form that has a limited life span) that far dimensional travel makes more sense to me. With the advent of quantum theory suggesting multiple universes that is. It would also go a long way to explaining the rapid appearance and disappearance of unknown vehicles that are seen as they, in theory at least would not have to travel vast distances across space.
Modern humans have appeared to have 'solved' many things but I'm not so sure myself. I wonder how the population of the time was spread that far when you think of food production, standing army, general population in trades etc. Where did they get the thousands of people with the knowledge and time to put these things together? I think that either they had a system or technology we haven't realised as yet.
I have spent two years supporting my partner with PD-severe depression-over coming disabling life events. I would say that one of the best ways to help is never to judge, don't take the rages personally and be there no matter what. I am lucky I guess I work in the NHS so have a good knowledge of symptoms and know where to go and what to ask. After countless emergency trips and lots of firm arguments with officialdom she is finally in proper therapy and can see the sun on the horizon but still has a long way to go. The best I can suggest is never give up or walk away and the help is out there, finding it however can be hard. Be prepared to fight for service.
Always read ancient history just for the interest and hoping to get the NHS to fork out for my Occupational Therapy in Learning Disabilities degree this year
Hey, being as people actually read my last ramblings I thought I'd push my luck and post another one of my ramblings. I really need to get out more I suspect...
After studying the UFO phenomenon and ancient history for many years it seems increasingly likely to me that the academic author Zecharia Stichin may be right in part at least with his theories of ‘Ancient civilised beings’ visiting our planet in the distant past. It would explain a considerable amount of unknowns and seemingly impossible feats performed by long gone bronze age civilisations several of whom were in existence longer than our relatively modern civilisation has been, and it seems arrogant in the extreme to assume that people in ages past were any less intelligent than we are today but simply their terms of reference were very different to what we find in common usage today and at the risk of appearing flippant and quoting a 1980’s English game show called ‘Catchphrase’ people just ‘said what they saw’ and I think that could be exactly what they did in the past but as mentioned previously using the only frames of reference they had at the time. A good example may be ‘A flaming sky chariot’ and as the only vehicles known at the time were horse powered chariots, if it was in the air they would not have the word ‘flying saucer’ or ‘spaceship’ in their vocabulary. In the 21st century (Government secrecy and cover ups aside for the moment) we are as far as we know at the top of the technology tree in our known universe.
Any unexplained phenomena seen by people from all walks of life around the world today are immediately jumped on by a host of media and unsavoury ‘interest groups’ that make a mockery of the small amount of remarkable things seen around the globe. The usual ‘experts’ and ‘new age gurus’ are summoned for their opinions and suggesting everything from world peace to weather conditions. I think that the vast majority of unexplained happenings can indeed be put down to natural phenomena that we may not be fully aware of but there are a significant amount that defy all rational explanation despite all our knowledge and technology.
Today, I think it would be correct to assume that the majority of the science fraternity accepts that life in various forms in the known universe is a fact and it is just a matter of time before they find us or we find them. The thing we need to ask ourselves as a species are what would we do with the technology to travel by whatever means throughout our own galaxy or further? We would of course as Nations compete with each other to get there first both for the prestige to prove to others we were somehow better than the others, and for the undiscovered potential of currently unknown minerals and undiscovered riches in whatever form that they may take. It would seem illogical to think that any other sentient species would not want to achieve something similar assuming they had the same inherent desire to obtain as much knowledge as possible to further their species.
Moving on to Government secrecy and cover ups it would seem that the majority of their work is done for them in recent times with the advent of sensational ‘documentaries’ purporting to ‘solve’ various well known unexplained cases from around the world. Without exception it seems that these shows are made as entertainment with ‘reconstructions’, special effects of supposed events and ‘expert opinion’ from various individuals some of whom do more damage than good to genuine academic study on this difficult subject.
In our unchanging desire to continuously get ‘one up’ on other competing and upcoming Nations it is unlikely that world Government is going to cooperate with each other openly and honestly on this subject, you only have to look at the looming disaster of climate change to see that whatever calamity is going to affect every one of us in the not too distant future, rich or poor around the world, power, economics and wealth will always take precedence over everything else. Where does that leave those of us that try to get to the truth of the seemingly endless ‘When’ ‘Why’ ‘How’ and ‘What for’ questions. Personally I think it will take an unprecedented event of a kind that cannot be ignored or covered up in any way.
We also need to think of any potential motives a visitor may have, if they for example thought like us in respect of gaining power or wealth in any form it would seem logical that they would clandestinely approach one Government or another to trade off knowledge and or technology. If however they have been around for as long as Stichin maintains it would seem correct that they visit all parts of the planet to see what we’re up to and how far we’d got in intervening years and any threat we might pose to a potential wider community in galactic terms. The eternal conundrum of why they don’t stop and make their presence known once and for all continues to baffle. If anything it just feeds the rumour machine globally and we need to ask why and what for, which in turn, the way our society functions, enables those that want complete control to further their aims and be the first to make meaningful contact if that hasn’t already been achieved. The generally accepted view of National Security from world Government/s is, I maintain largely pointless due to the fact that if another civilisation can traverse the known or wider galaxy by means of propulsion, time or dimensional travel I don’t believe that we have any technology that would overly concern them should they make their presence known to all and because of that it would appear for the minute at least their motives remain unknown for the time being.
Returning to Stichin’s theory it would seem to be perfectly reasonable to consider for a moment the achievements of a number previous civilisations mainly but not exclusively Egypt, South America, Sumeria to name but three. All of these societies achieved a number of staggering landmarks throughout their history mainly in construction much of which still survives relatively intact today and is still seemingly impossible with the known technology they had available at the time. For example, over and above the obvious technological marvel of the pyramids of Egypt the old capital of Thebes has some incredible construction including lintels that weigh in excess of fifty tons and defy explanation as to how the builders of the period made these edifices. Some are even it seems made purposely overly difficult when there are easier ways to achieve the same result, also places like Macchu Picchu in South America defy any rational explanation. Only two rational options are available, either these civilisations had invented a technology we are unaware of at present or they were assisted from elsewhere, however, the generally accepted reasons for these incredible structures in archaeological terms are that it was done for prestige which seems implausible at any level.
The Sumerian civilisation routinely describes encounters with ‘Gods from the stars’ as a matter of everyday life and there are still countless texts yet to be translated so who knows what information they hold. It is imperative we ‘get over ourselves’ as a species and accept that there just may have been more technological civilisations around for longer that we have been around in the modern sense. Once all the mystical, inferred hidden meanings and religious assumptions are taken out of many ancient texts many do in fact read as actual events that took place, if one is prepared to take in to account the probable world view and hierarchy of the era as much as is possible anyway. Equally translations from lost and now unspoken languages are exceptionally difficult to translate with any real meaning without imposing modern terms and views on them which inevitably distorts any original meaning.
The other major hindrance in ancient texts are the religious connotations and the generally accepted views as actual fact, that in numerous examples are more outrageous and unbelievable that the entire UFO and Ancient visitor theories combined, and if anything are a convenient ‘get out card’ to explain the seemingly impossible relying solely on faith alone. It is genuinely hard to accept that we as a species are prepared to believe in a Supreme Being that put us here just so that we could worship his or hers very existence with no concrete and unassailable scientific proof and yet the vast majority of those who have a devout faith in any religion dismiss out of hand the UFO and Ancient visitor theory!
In summary I propose that as a mainly amateur and disparate group of individuals who have an interest in the incredible field of Ufology and Ancient Civilisations work together, share information and try to shake off the ‘fringe elements’ that continue to make serious academic research acceptable to the wider scientific community and we may at some point in the future make sense of the now by researching the past in a different light, unless of course anyone decides to make their presence known in an unmistakable fashion that is.
Thanks for the comments, don't get as much free time as I'd like as work and caring for my partner take up most of it.Must try harder.
If it is any consolation I too am busy researching how to go about selling all the crap I don't actually need to help raise funds to live in a camper full time. I will to hold on to my job and that may be interesting finding places to park near enough to get in however.
Another sad day in the world of economics, proving money will take precedence over everything else no matter what. More controlled by the media than at any other time and proving sadly that the bulk of people don't seem to think for themselves any more. Very sad indeed.
I have been a veggie since I was a baby, whatever meat was fed me made me throw up so apparently someone told my mum if he won't eat it don't feed it him and consequently fifty two years later I've never tried it. Never posed a problem except when eating out years ago when veggie choices were very limited. Never had a weight problem always healthy (thus far). Eat a lot of cheese though and can eat vast quantities of food at a sitting if I like it.
Thanks for the 'Groovies guys. As you might guess I have a huge interest in all things ancient history, why we are here and how we (I'm hesitant to say) progress in the way we do as a species.
Sorry it just poured out my head and I forgot.
I do indeed and sadly it will remain the case in the foreseeable future.
Human beings have always been fascinated with the civilisation that preceded it and through the centuries have purposely excavated or just happened across great ruined cities, artefacts of many types and texts of lost languages and peoples.
Only since the mid to late Victorian era however has archaeology taken on any structured form with notable luminaries like Flinders Petrie and Wallace Budge taking the time to preserve finds and try to build an accurate interpretation of what they discovered and made archaeology a respected profession in its own right. With many ancient finds it is relatively easy to make sense of what has lain for many years forgotten in the ground, or in the case of buildings and cities, buried in shifting sands, swallowed by vegetation or left to fall in to dereliction as they are still easily recognisable in our modern age.
There are however, certain discoveries that defy all rational explanation and are seemingly impossible with in the age of the find and knowledge we know of the civilisation concerned.Archaeology like science bases its prestige on the premise that humanity as a species always advances both intellectually and technologically as time moves forward and this on the face of it is a perfectly reasonable assumption. Using archaeology as an example, let us hypothesise for a moment and say that there were two people drinking in a pub in London and some calamity befell the earth and everything was obliterated.
Two thousand years go by and the archaeologist of 4012 CE stumbles upon the remains of the pub and the two skeletons along with fragments of glass and bits of charred wood and rubble. The human remains would be dated and sexed and the glass fragments would be analysed and the assumption could easily be made that these two humans could have been instrumental in brewing or high status glass makers when all they were actually doing before their unfortunate demise was having a drink after a day in the office.
The point I am making is that because after such a considerable time where erosion, human values, views of the world and how people in the distant past functioned on a day to day basis we as modern society can only ever make a guess on some things that are discovered. The Bronze Age is generally accepted to be around 3200-4000 BCE and the Egyptian Civilisation is thought to have appeared around 5000 BCE mainly as it seems that nothing has been found to predate this time whilst The Sumerian Civilisation is generally accepted to have begun around 4000 BCE and the Harappen peoples of what is now India is also around 4000 BCE (although a number of finds in the recent past may predate 4000 BCE).
On the face of accepted history the step to major modern civilisation began around this time. All well and good thus far you would think, however, there are increasingly finds being made that make no sense in the context in which they are discovered not to mention staggering achievements like the pyramids on the Giza Plateau in Egypt among others which until recently was the biggest built structure on the planet.
The one thing that Sumeria, Egypt and India have in common more so than other civilisations of the period now or since are that their system of ‘Gods’ were regularly interacting with mankind on an almost daily basis and seem to be universally thought of as a kind of ‘Super Race’ of beings that came from the stars and unlike what mainstream religion has become, a benevolent or wrathful God that needs solely to be worshipped in order that humanity gets granted some kind of everlasting peace and afterlife. The ‘Gods’ of Egypt, Sumeria and India are described routinely using technology of a type that any military force or Government today can only dream about (as far as we are aware at present anyway).
There are ‘myths’ and ‘allegorical’ tales of what we understand to be rocket ships, weapons of incredible power and all manner of other technological wonders. The obvious problem with this scenario is that six thousand years ago the mere thought of man describing this type of modern machinery is plainly ridiculous when the height of technology was the bow, and horse drawn chariot and yet we have accurate descriptions of what appear to be advanced machines and weaponry and in the case of the Indian Mahabharata a full blown nuclear conflict seems to have taken place at some point! How can this be possible?
Whilst it is common to place our thought patterns or values on what we in our age and world view consider right and moral I suggest that it is fundamentally incorrect to make these assumptions about past civilisations including those that may originate or originated in other parts of our galaxy or universe. I include alien civilisations because it is generally accepted in our scientific era that we are most likely not the only life forms in the universe that we consider to be on a par or to exceed our current capabilities. On that basis it is natural to accept that some may have been around for considerably longer than human beings.
On that premise let’s say that approximately 10,000 BCE a group of lets call them ‘Advanced explorers’ arrived in our Solar system and set about categorising its age, chemical make up, mineral content, potential life forms etc, much as we would do ourselves and assuming the thought processes were similar to ours they would be working towards the advancement of their own species. In 10,000 BCE humanity was still relatively speaking in its early stages and much of humanity still led a nomadic existence and lived hand to mouth whilst others were beginning to settle down and grouping together in communities.
It was probably the groups that settled down and started rudimentary farming and erecting small villages that found themselves with enough time on their hands to seriously start wondering why they were here, why they suddenly died of illnesses and generally pondered on the wonders of their complex environment. To explain the unexplainable, seasons, sun rises, extreme weather and the like, external forces were created, Gods, Supreme Beings, Spirit’s of forefathers were created to make unknown natural events easily digestible.
So a small group of our tribesmen are out hunting one day and they come across some of our 'Advanced explorers' in the middle of collecting samples of flora and fauna. To the tribesmen the 'Advanced explorers' would seem fantastical whilst the other way around we might be looked at with curiosity, much as we do with strange animals encountered today in zoos. Let's assume that some kind of communication attempt takes place and our 'Advanced explorers' try to explain where they originate from.
From the one or all of the tribesmen's viewpoint it could easily appear that these beings were some kind of 'Spirit or Supreme Being'. After the encounter and upon returning to the village they would then try to explain what they had seen to their peers. All would probably walk away with something different from this, some would be scared and some would wonder if a God had come to visit but everyone would have their own take on what had occurred in the same way that a traffic accident can have numerous interpretations depending on your vantage point and involvement. So that year the harvest happens to be particularly good and the tribesmen might easily associate their fortuitous meeting earlier in the year with a good harvest and it is easy to see how a possible chance event like that could snowball in to something a lot bigger.
From the viewpoint of the 'Advanced explorer' Earth might may have been the first planet that they'd come across with life in various stages of advancement and decided to keep an eye on how we progressed through the centuries. Modern human beings have a number of 'thought errors' that stop them thinking 'outside the box' for want of a better term.
In our age of super computers, economies, knowledge of science and medicine and power over all other life on the planet we seem to think we know it all and should anyone experience an event, UFO, ghost or other anomaly especially where science is concerned they are generally considered delusional or misguided unless it can be poked with a metaphorical stick. Interestingly, in many if not all of the film and TV versions of man coming in to contact with alien intelligence whether malicious of benign we always portray human beings in two distinct camps, those in power or clandestine organisations who want to destroy and control and those who want to understand why and how the visit/invasion occurred.
It is interesting that few of us just accept that other life forms or civilisations exist naturally and those of us that think like this seem to have avoided the 'religion and social conditioning trap'. Logically, using our perspective we would be the better people to approach in the first instance due to the fact that we have no agenda except knowledge as to why, how and what for.
Why then does this seem not to happen? Is it possible that contact was made in the distant past and those that were initially contacted by chance or planning have seen fit to withhold their knowledge and just past it down through time to those they thought could be trusted to maintain the knowledge and if so have they convinced the 'Advanced explorers' that this is the best course of action for humanity?
As our global civilisation stands today very few people actually hold any real power over the planet and its inhabitants. The illusion that politicians in Governments around the world are in charge is a misconception in my view. If one looks seriously behind the scenes of everyday life around the world it does not take long to see that ultimate power is held by very few people hardly any of whom have a high profile.
There are many conspiratorial views on who these individuals are, including the Rothschild's, the secretive Bilderburger group or the common favourite for all things secret The Illuminati. I think it is safe to say and it has been shown to be true countless times that there is 'no smoke without fire' as the saying goes, and whether or not it is any of the above mentioned groups or some other group operating in the shadows there is very definitely 'someone in control' out there. It is easy to see how a global population could be controlled relatively easily in the modern world with the mass media that is now part of everyday life and how it could be drip fed and 'given' opinions.
For the conspiratorially minded it would seem that in 2012 more than any other year there is an increasing number of 'documentaries' and movies all alluding to contact and cover ups involving civilisations not from Earth. As Dr Steven Greer M.D states in the brilliant book 'Disclosure' one of the biggest hurdles in any admission from authorities would be to admit that they had been keeping this vast secret for at least fifty years if not much longer.
I would like to think the population of the planet would be outraged that a small number of people have controlled their lives for so long and it would hopefully lead to a complete rethink on how decisions that affect all of humanity are made and an end to being treated like children.
I do wonder sometimes that if voting ever actually changed anything tangible it would probably be illegal.