festival security

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  • Quote from stuoolong

    you're not too sure about calling the cops either, unless you're not planning to use the site again.


    what do u mean?

  • When I was doing festival organising (small event - up to 3000 hippies :hippy:) we had a tentative relationship with the cops. They were very happy with us in general - they came on site daily, during the daytime, and saw happy smiling faces - but like at any event of that size, there was trouble, and occasionally, trouble of the sort where having the cops around would have been helpful. For example, local kids starting fights with punters, people stealing cars and driving them round the site at high speeds in the dark, etc. Fortunately, our security were able to deal with those things, and others. We neglected to mention some of these things when the police came round to visit the next day.


    Ringing the cops to deal with an emergency instantly changes the relationship between them and the organisers - they see the event as somewhere they have to do some work, somewhere there might be a public security/safety risk. If, as an event organiser, you have to call the cops out to deal with problems on your site that you can't deal with yourself, they will happily do the work, but are far more likely to raise objections to the event going ahead next year.


    So every time there's a difficult situation, you have to weigh all this up. Can the security we have/the organisers deal with it properly? Or do we have to call in outside help and risk the future of the event?


    Of course, at a larger event, where there are police on site all the time, it's a bit different, but it's still important to have security that can sort things out, for this reason and for others. If you get into a fight, for example, at a festival, would you rather get questioned by festival security and welfare, or by the cops and taken down the station?

  • thanks, stuoolong for your reply, do u know what powers festival-security can have? ie can they arrest, detain, use force, expell etc?

  • When the ‘riots’ (a few stupid little emo kids who thought it was funny to set fire to things) kicked off at Download this year I saw a load of Hell’s Angels walking around putting out fires and just generally putting people in their place. I think they were ashamed at such a disgrace to the name of riot…

  • man, when i was at glade this year we were camped right up against the gates (got there late......) and the security, not sure who they were, but rode around and around the site all day in their 4x4s lookiing for gate crashers..... not so subbtle


    one night i get woken up in my tent by a maglight in my face and people pushing in my tent cuz someone had jumped over near by n they were lookin' for them.....


    they did apologise though.


    whatever, i suppose you need security for the mentioned rif raf who'd wanna get in just to steal/ pick fights or whatever, but frankly i hate having security visibly round the site, and loads of gates, kinda ruins the "free" atmosphere dunnit

    I'm a travelin' woman, I got a travelin' mind:wiggle:
    -mattie delaney 'down the big road blues'

  • Quote from capn

    thanks, stuoolong for your reply, do u know what powers festival-security can have? ie can they arrest, detain, use force, expell etc?


    Well that will depend on the event organisers and what they have asked the security to do. If you are holding a legal event on a site that you have hired or own, then technically they can do anything that you would be allowed to do to prevent trouble in your own house. So if someone is being violent, for example, I'm sure it would be acceptable for them to be restrained and the police called if that's what was required, though more peaceful solutions are always better. Legally, these things rely on the level of training of the security as well - to restrain someone they really ought to have a C&R certificate.


    Using force...I would strongly suspect that they shouldn't use any force other than in self defence, or defence of the public at large. If someone had a knife, say, and was threatening to stab their mate, I don't think it would be unreasonable for security to beat them a little to immobilise them, if normal restraints were impossible.


    If they are doing their job right, it's finding the solution that causes the least harm. The best ways to do this always involve negotiation and persuasion rather than physical force. For example, if someone is being a pain on site, you might weigh up whether to ask them to leave...but then you might decide that they will cause even more hassle in that situation.


    Quote from mooka

    whatever, i suppose you need security for the mentioned rif raf who'd wanna get in just to steal/ pick fights or whatever, but frankly i hate having security visibly round the site, and loads of gates, kinda ruins the "free" atmosphere dunnit


    Glade is hardly free though, and as a big commercial festival (I imagine their budget is around the million pounds mark), especially one aimed at hippies who tend to be a bit short of cash, making sure enough people pay up is vital. Also, at an event that's already sold out, safety comes into it too - if the site has reached it's capacity with 9000 people or whatever, and another 5000 blag in or hop the fence, there could be massive overcrowding, not to mention mud issues!
    I agree though that the large visible presence of fences and security is a bit offputting. I go to Big Green regularly and it's creeping in there more and more - 4x4s patrolling round all the time, more and more fences, etc. The only solution to this is smaller events that don't cost loads - they tend to be friendlier as well!

  • Quote from stardust

    if you're thieving/dealing/molesting young girls etc you would probably not want to bump into a security guard in a dark corner on your own!!



    I dont know, the security would proberly join you....shady lot!!

  • as anyone who was at leeds 2005 will remember, things can turn pretty nasty quickly- people burning telegraph poles, tents and the security went WAY over the top hitting random people with those plastic sheild things and batons isn't nice... and my tent got trampled :(