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  • Ill start off with my own i think this virus was an accidently or experimentally on a patient or maliciously let out of a lab this virus seems to be perfect as a bio weapon it infects the host as a common cold it goes away helping the host feel healthy and thus spread it, it spreads massively if the host is ok in the first infection, then it debilitates the host in a scary way if it takes hold. It can also i recon possibly move through the animal kingdom ie bats and what about rats etc. (ok granted its started from there)


    Also l leading bio wepon scientist has made a vaccination its all to convinient for my liking.


    russia suspect we did something,


    america orrigionally suspected china did something.


    china suspected amercica did something.


    also north korea ? you just never know.


    I susoect we may have a world crash or either a pick up or a long slump who knows, but from this would china dominate? they have a vaccination and medicines they can sell, they are roughly finacially stable or the biggest exporter in the world so they must have had cash reserves, trump was playing hardball with them, will this turn the tables?


    i ve heard another crackpot one today apparantly this is a hoax by the who (no the band) who want to see how a pandemic would work, on the world


    and for finance maybe creating unstable markets thus money people will make money on an up turn,

  • My opinion is we and the Chinese particularly are cruel to animals. For example Pangolins are on the verge of extinction because Chinese people think the scales have medicinal properties. Animals are sentient beings. When any group is badly treated it develops un ease, which turns into dis ease and then disease. Then the disease passes to other creatures - us.


    This is on us, we are destroying our planet, poisoning the seas and air, killing insects and animals, building building building everywhere, heating the planet.


    However, the Communist system works on fear, where officials are too afraid to pass bad news up the chain of command. Thus the virus got a good hold before the underground internet users managed to get word out, and people were dying, then the the regime could no longer hide the issue.


    This is the same thing that happened at Chernobyl, where managers on the ground were warning their immediate superior and getting reprimanded for it. It was only when a Swedish research facility noticed an increase in radio activity and traced it back to Chernobyl that the news got out.


    The virus was caused by human beings' shitty treatment of animals.

  • Nah it was from the animal kingdom, brought from a cave where in caves its a survival of the fittest bactaria, virus, bugs, creepy crawlies environment.


    From that either bat faecies or a live bat was brought to the lab tested on to see what viruses lurk down there and in bats and animals, there may have been a perfectly innocent explanation to this ie they were seeing if this ever got out what would be the vac, but either a scientist caught the virus passing it as a common cold, or carrying it on with no symptoms to some poor person. or it was experimented on to see the potential of a boi weapon, i mean nothing cheaper go deep into caves where us humans dont really go find bacteria/ viruses all kinds of nasty stuff we havent evolved to fight off and try and make a weopon.


    It either got out accidentally or malaciously and it can live in and on humans and animals. Its now here to stay if it isnt in us it will live in animals, maybe make them sick who knows.


    Bio weapon it l all come out one day.

  • Actually it's aliens, they've been watching us for a while, wondering when us stupid fucks are actually going to blow ourselves up and wreck the planet for ever, so they've released this virus to get rid of us, and when we're all gone and the earth is beautful again they will re-release humans into paradise...

  • Only rational thing i can think of is we as humans try to suppress and control nature, we try to mutate nature to our own ends.


    but every now and then it fights back, old hands always used to say you cant fight nature i used to as a lad think what a load of cobblers now i guess they were true.

  • The only conspiracy theory I've heard that sounds credible to me is that some people, albeit not many unfortunately say that most humans have evolved into idiots who deserve whatever befalls them.

    Sounds perilously close to a fact by my reckoning. Guess I must be a conspirator.

  • The logical odds are on it being a Chinese biological weapons lab development that was only in it's early stages when someone at the lab became infected - perhaps unknowingly - and brought it out into the general population. Certainly it is likely that it was of animal origin, and they were looking for a crossover factor with humans. They obviously got to that stage before it got out, or humans wouldn't be getting it.


    But it is an incomplete weapon; it only affects the more vulnerable of the human race. A complete weapon would be lethal to everybody.


    Another thing that suggests it was an incomplete weapon is that they had not developed an antidote or vaccine for it. If you are going to use a lethal bio-weapon you need the antidote to treat your own people, in case they risk being infected either during or after its use against your enemy.

  • Almost every pandemic has come from our relationship with and attitude towards animals and nature -- most of them passed on through the food chain, but some because of insanitary conditions.

    No need for a conspiracy -- it's been coming for a long time.

    This lecture was in 2008 and pretty much predicted it...

  • Yep, agree with Paul here, we've had it coming for along while, and given the way the modern scientific world has labs the specialise in viruses etc, you know by that they work on developing, experimenting and wrking on vaccines on things they discover. Things like corona do not just miraculously appear as if by magic.


    Fear and panic has hit the nation and it isnt down to the virus per se being abroad, it's down to folk shitting it about the everyday life that they are accustomed to that is going to have to change for the immediate future and maybe longer. The vulnerable and elderly with heslth conditions would be rightly worried about the virus and it can kill them. Panic buying of food etc now isnt virus based, it's down to people seeing others who started panic buying and they are shitting it that there will be nothing left. Quote Gandhi " there is enough for everyones need but not enough for everyones greed " That sums it up nicely.


    Because businesses can and are being shiut down and folks jobs are on the line, not being able to make bill/debt payments and life to keep rolling on, for something like a virus to shut down a country, it goes to show how volatile modern life is and how close to the line of collapse at any given time and overnight is something kicks in. Complacency about something like this happening and affecting and tipping up everyday life is alive and well as corona has proved. Buckle up, we could be in for a bumpy ride. Who else is happy they have a stash of THC laden smokeables to see you through :stoner:

  • ''Who else is happy they have a stash of THC laden smokeables to see you through''


    I got 12 weeks worth if I stick at half oz per week , but getting through the munchies will be a right bastard .....

    Yep I wont have to worry for over a year on that front, plus I bought 3 packs of 10 duty free baccy when I came back form euro festivals end of last summer, still got nearly two packs left, that will last me into next winter if I slim the rollies up. I wonder oif tesco's will sell me a full box of rizlas lol Got party goody stash enough to have self isolating solo personal festivals in my truck for when I fel the need to let loose and turn the tunes up and dance. Being so a lot of folk will be on self iso, I bet the supply chain of the various consumables and sniffables in towns and city's will be on boom time sales, letter box deliveries, push your notes out and catch the bag as it gets posted in, erm hopefully.

  • I thought this was going to be light hearted and silly with weird and wonderful theories, that's why I posted the aliens theory...


    But, yes on Sunday evening, Monday and Tuesday I was feeling very unsettled, I have recovered my equilibrium now. I found the idea of many people dying - as good for the planet as that may be - very distressing. Many people will be broken-hearted and that is sad.


    Personally I'm in a good position to ride this out except for drinking water, the 3 of each item will mean I have to stay near a shop or pay to be on a camp site. I can fill my underslung tank (not potable) and various containers but drinking water is an issue. I regret I have not yet installed a system to filter rain water which I catch off the roof and am happy to use for washing, washing up and cleaning.


    I still have some work and I may be able to get something from govt.


    2 things bother me apart from water.


    1 if I do get sick, how to look after my dog.


    2 crime - winter 2010/11 I had a pitch on a site near Biggin Hill. Cars got stuck in snow drifts and were left. After a few days the doors were jemmied open, bent out, and presumably contents stolen. It was shocking to see. That was after only a few days of disruption. What will happen after weeks of disruption?


    I am I guess fairly vulnerable. I would give a good account of myself if my home (truck) was attacked and I have erm, let's say a variety of deterrents, and I can always jump in the cab and drive off, but still it occurs to me I may possibly be at risk if this does go on for a while and people get desperate.


    What I saw that winter stayed with me, the level of damage for so little return, stereos are built in, so are most satnavs, yet some of those vehicles were probably written off if the door pillars and roof gutters were damaged, plus frost and water damage. And after such a short period of disruption.


    Anyway, back to bizarre theories... In the lab, "Did you use the flask marked A?" "Oh, I thought you said B..."

    😀

  • The logical odds are on it being a Chinese biological weapons lab development that was only in it's early stages when someone at the lab became infected - perhaps unknowingly - and brought it out into the general population. Certainly it is likely that it was of animal origin, and they were looking for a crossover factor with humans. They obviously got to that stage before it got out, or humans wouldn't be getting it.


    But it is an incomplete weapon; it only affects the more vulnerable of the human race. A complete weapon would be lethal to everybody.


    Another thing that suggests it was an incomplete weapon is that they had not developed an antidote or vaccine for it. If you are going to use a lethal bio-weapon you need the antidote to treat your own people, in case they risk being infected either during or after its use against your enemy.

    Old keith i am 90 % convinced this is what happened, ther reason for no vaccination or anitdote was they had litterally just started collecting or working on this virus or had just collected it to the lab and someone or something got infected.


    The facts are to strong, theres a bio lab in wuhan !


    If a country was developing a weapon or researching a virus and developing an an antidote or vaccine but it got out before it reached weapon grade.

  • Personally I'm in a good position to ride this out except for drinking water, the 3 of each item will mean I have to stay near a shop or pay to be on a camp site. I can fill my underslung tank (not potable) and various containers but drinking water is an issue. I regret I have not yet installed a system to filter rain water which I catch off the roof and am happy to use for washing, washing up and cleaning.


    Are you able to boil your underslung or rain water, or is that to costly and time consuming, ie gas or stove.


    If you boil water hopefully it should kill all bugs off not a lot of nasties survive boiled water,


    From my background in plumbing, anything below 20 deg bugs dont live, anything over 55 to 60 deg deg bugs dont live, but inbetween they thrive.


    so if your really scuppered for clean water boil the hell out of your drinking water.


    fairly technical and people on here will know how to treat water.


    Tap water is the best if you can get it for your underslung as its hopefully chlorinated, that way bugs struggle to live in the water.

  • No worries if you can survive on chlorinated tap water thats better, and remember clean the tap you use before and after.


    A lot of campsites dont do pot able water ie they have there own bore holes or try to cover themselves by stating not drinkable water i guess if they do have chlorinated water as they maybe arnt 100% on back syphonage or water pipes getting warm in summer, supplies to taps in the fields and some times you can get heat loss from hot pipes to cold in plant rooms for air source or ground source .





    people on here will know about u v filters and other things let them pm you.

  • It's chemicals off the stuff I painted the roof with and petrochemical residue from ground and air traffic that bothers me. Anyhoo, I have now 100 litres drinking and ? non drinking (tank has no gauge, usually fill til it comes out of overflow). Will keep me going for a good while. Thank you for your time for helping.

  • Back on point just read a newspaper article about how the virus broke out to humans.


    Its sounds scetchy to say the least, so the food market was closed the not all people showed symptoms of the virus who worked there , then it was likely the source was from bats but no bats were sold or eaten there, so the next theory is the bats passed it to another animal which then infected humans at the market, though this animal hasnt been traced yet and not everyone who worked at the market got ill but people outside the market in the general population were getting ill.


    So how has the middle catylist animal not been traced, they have had months to find that out, all sounds like a cover up to me.


    I heard rumours of snakes, bats, all sorts but theres still no concrete evidence or documentation of the middle animal that passed it on


    If the scientists had tested all the animals on the market and said well this snake carries it or watever thats been the problem, here we go.


    You have bat, bat infects host host gets eaten or is near this is the facts, no facts all dodgy to me.

  • Yep, I think that market story is just a cover-up. The Chinese authorities aren't going to tell you that the virus was passed on into the market place, or anywhere else, by someone who worked at their lab, are they?


    In the jolly old UK we have Porton Down labs. There may be others, but we'll stick with Porton Down, near Salisbury. Now if an outbreak of a very infectious virus, never known about before, broke out in Salisbury, and our authorities said it had originated in a meat stall on Salisbury Market, how many of us would really believe them.....?

  • Exactly old keith


    Its got to be a cover up, also China prob hushed it up just enough to get there house in order, ie, economically they had time to prepare, they prob hoped they would contain it by extreme lockdown, but it didnt happen,

    bet they sold shares at a strong market value or companies had time to prepare.


    The break outs globally were prob caused by people running away from the lockdown and flying to families and friends around the globe or they unknowingly carried and spread the virus (also in plane air cons) .


    Also china prob covered up because of worry of economic and draconian sanctions or worse ,either from the states or globally sending there economy crashing,


    Never took a lot of notice if this but the i dont think the Yen was tanking before Christmas, a time when globally everyone buy s stuff from china.


    I also remember the high prices in the shops i bet they were struggling with supply and people ill then and also less products they could charge more


    supply-demand.


    whats the odds china s economy fairs better than the rest of the globe from this awful virus.


    Trump is an idiot


    but i think he s possibly wright but he should have kept his big mouth shut,
    because at the moment we need china s help and advice to get through this


    If china comes out of this strong next year or the year after they should really help out globally and financially, cos i recon they might come out of this the strongest.

  • Okay laugh all you want, I am going with the general belief at the moment it started in the food market, a horrible place that wants burning down.


    But china was VERY secretive of this, no scientist has come straight out and said look this is what we suspect has happened its started with a bat (thats (now were being told started with a woman selling shrimps) thats infected a shrimp, a pangolin, a snake.


    But no tests have been shown up with results on these host or bridging animals,


    and there is a simple elephant in the room Wuhan has a grade 4 bio lab, grade four is the deadliest labs of bio research.


    As mentioned by old keith if this had started in say a food market near porton down in the uk everyone would be the first to point the finger at the uk including people in the uk but somehow there is a cloak of silence from this.


    still 2 theories i recon.


    1 it was lab made,


    but thats been disproven so fair enough


    2 it escaped from the lab by accident from a vial, animal, scientist, who got the symptoms thought it was a cold and maybe shrugged it off with no symptoms,


    hell the bloody scientist could have gone to the market and coughed all over the shrimps ^^;(


    Got another wacked out theory, what if trump got someone to plant this in the food market, its a perfect place someone goes gloves on smears a bit on an animal thats going to be eaten.


    Why does trump think in america that it will all slow down and sort out in two to three weeks in america?


    and also trump hasnt got the virus, maybe he s been vaccinated?


    he did have an issue with china


    Look before everyone laughs, if someone had said last year right next year get prepped get food in supplies, bog roll and make sure you have plenty of savings cos theres a global lockdown coming a flu virus thats going to kill a lot of people you d be laughed till you were out of site.

  • Where's the reference to it being proven that the COVID-19 virus is not lab-made, Prepper?


    Just curious to know who's saying that, where their lab is situated, and if the evidence report - if any - has been peer-reviewed?

  • Theres a lot of info on tv and the web clearly stating this was not lab made, there is a fact which does hold a grain of truth in that when scientists have looked at the viruses dna its from the animal kingdom, ie when its lab made it has a distintive dna, ie they know when its been altered in a lab.


    That the science, i think it is natural but its been somehow let loose , or cross contaminated in a weird way with another virus.


    Weird thing is the symptoms and incubation period are perfect for a bio weapon, you dont get sick straight away, ie you can carry the virus and spread to many, while fine, it lives for 3 days on most surfaces except copper, and it presents itself as a common cold then goes then comes back fooling you your ok so thus making you carry on till you get sick.


    If it was like normal flu you get sick straight away thus your bed ridden and dont move about so your contained in your bedroom getting better, ordinary flu doesnt on the whole come and go like this virus does.

  • This is pretty out there.

    Celebrity's and elites that have self isolated ( Tom Hanks, Harvey Weinstein in prison etc ) are all on a list of people that visited Jeffrey Einstein's island or are involved in an elitist Hollywood paedophile, satanist child sex , trade ring that inject adrenochrome into themselves that is made in a Wuhab medical facility and has been tainted by agents with a strain of the virus in order to be able to identify them as paedos and prosecuted by the Trump administration . This is why theyre going into lock down.

    Apparently, symbolism in pop videos , films , Chelsea Clinton wearing an upside down cross and even tweets by Tom Hanks that by a giant leap of mentalism are coded messages to other elite nonces are " evidence" of this.

    It's part of the Q anon conspiracy bollocks theory.

    Prince Charlie ?

  • Hmm. So no real scientific work done on this, just some 'general' reports in the media? Smells like some sort of a cover-up. We wouldn't want China blamed for all trouble world-wide, would we? Or Trump's America, even worse!


    If you take a virus carried by animals and synthesise it with a virus carried by humans you do not have to alter its DNA; the virus will mutate naturally. You can start testing it in human cell cultures before you decide to try to alter its structure, depending on what you want to do with it. At this early stage of the proceedings, depending on what original viruses were used, the new combined virus may only have a limited degree of effect upon either humans or animals. But it is likely to be very infectious to humans, and if at this point it 'escapes' and infects the human population, there will be no sign of DNA 'tampering', because nobody has tampered with it yet.


    So my bet is that this was a lab experiment that 'escaped' long before it got anywhere near the stage of being lethal to everyone who got it.

  • I think a better conspiracy is that in Africa there is an underground city of advanced pangolins that intentionally infected the imported workers of the Chinese conglomerates who have bought up half the continent knowing they would eventually take the disease back to the homeland of those responsible for pangocide.

    All hail the pangolins.