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  • Without getting in a fight I personally find that branding (pun intended) anyone that does not agree with you a 'sheeple' regarding common sense issues is fucking deregatory.Unfortunately it has become a buzzword that people with little scientific knowledge .

  • ok fair enough we agree to disagree, the brainwashing is complete the govt win, I truly hope I'm wrong but please look into mask wearing and not just from you tube or the goverments mouth pieces, when did you ever trust a politician?

  • you but you dont pickup or spread coronavirus from a welding torch.

    that you can spread and infect and possible kill someone,


    So it starts from the top docs nurses where ppe to stop infection while they work on you and dont kill you, always been so and now it l become even more the norm and be so.


    whining about wearing a mask to go in a shop is sod all in the grand scheme of things, wear a mask stop whining

    You seem to forget that doctors and nurses are wearing masks to protect themselves while they work on you who presumably have some complaint or disease, or you wouldn't be in there. They are not wearing a mask to protect you from them, at least, I certainly hope not....:reddevil:

  • I'm beginning to think that this site isn't alternative at all, more like UKTORY I can see why everybody has gone elsewhere?

    oh dear. To differ is cool.... how fking alternative would you like us to be? If we were in the flesh, in your face, open & honest like your brother should be. Paul would have to remove us from his site or some of us would need go into hiding at some point, if the police should take interests.... Don’t judge a book by its cover ~ goes from front to the back too.

  • oh dear. To differ is cool.... how fking alternative would you like us to be? If we were in the flesh, in your face, open & honest like your brother should be. Paul would have to remove us from his site or some of us would need go into hiding at some point, if the police should take interests.... Don’t judge a book by its cover ~ goes from front to the back too.

    Dont understand what u are on about RT, if we all met face to face things would be very different , the views on this site just seem very conservative to me and believe me I have also been around a long time RT

  • . They are not wearing a mask to protect you from them, at least, I certainly hope not....

    evening er thats where at the moment thats exactly why they are wearing ppe in hospitals to hopefully protect themselves infecting patients and protect themselves against a patient with a virus. or any other dieseases infecting them, its effectivly a barrier to hopefully stop fluids, bloods, spittle, etc etc moving basicly.


    and the late thought after it was said masks do fkk all now a u turn saying they might work as usual a mess.


    I think masks work to stop people spreading the virus from one person to another, trouble is way back there were no masks in the country, so the mask advice was blundered and bluffed.


    now i suspect theres a glut of masks to get rid of that are no good for the nhs, i got some at screwfix they were dated 2003 i m sure they were from turkey, so maybe theres a big heap of usless masks to get rid of. just thinking.


    no harm in wearing them if idiots dont pull them down to talk or fidlle with them then touch food, in the supermarket, as you see out and about.

  • evening er thats where at the moment thats exactly why they are wearing ppe in hospitals to hopefully protect themselves infecting patients

    You're saying these medical personnel have the virus themselves, and are afraid of infecting patients? If that's the case then they should not be working there, but should be at home under treatment, isolating themselves.


    With most very infectious diseases, unless the whole PPE is changed after treating every patient, and every patient is isolated, it is not possible to totally avoid passing anything from patient to patient.


    The only occasions when PPE is worn to protect patients from medical staff is when those patients have severe auto-immune deficiency, and could be badly or even fatally infected by someone innocently carrying relatively trivial infections which most of us carry, but do not suffer from.

  • Oh god i give up, sorry this enfuriating me, i know a nurse i am friends with , her pet hate is non mask wearers and people who are moaning about masks.


    Ok nhs staff may not knowingly know they have the c virus, they could catch and have no symptoms before there test results show they have covid. so yeah masks are also for nhs staff to stop them passing there germs to patients, be they covid or anything else.


    thats why surgeons where bloody masks, because they we all caryy harmful germs that can be breathed out in droplets and end up as a n infection or superbug.


    fucks sake nhs staff where masks more at the moment to stop a movement of covid and anything else in them knowingly unknowingly from patient to staff and staff to patient.


    Its a barrier a first line of defence in a hospital in close working and people conditions


    Enough moaning about masks.

  • Oh god i give up, sorry this enfuriating me, i know a nurse i am friends with , her pet hate is non mask wearers and people who are moaning about masks.

    If I had to wear a mask all day I'd probably feel the same, wouldn't you? That's a very human reaction.

    But there is always the risk that when some people wear a mask, they assume it is a protective talisman, a kind of magic thing that gives them immunity. So they then gradually give up social distancing, because after all, the mask is protecting you, isn't it? It's advised by (some) doctors, so it must be.

  • yeah i still dont get the pub and restaraunt thing.


    and the distance is lower, ie meter plus ffs


    Ive worn a mask in the shops tried my best to maintain 2 or more social,

    We are a service industry with a chain of employment and commerce. From the food on the plate to those cleaning up the mess afterwards. If they had safe feeding tubes, they would insist on us using them. This Country is built on spending taxes. A drip system just won’t keep the lights on.

  • interesting article when considering the merits of wearing a mask or not.



    4 reasons you shouldn’t trash your neck gaiter based on the new mask study

    The study was meant to figure out how to evaluate masks, not compare their effectiveness

    man running while wearing a neck gaiter over his nose and mouth

    Neck gaiters have become a popular, lightweight mask option for runners. But a new study on how to test mask effectiveness has been widely, and mistakenly, reported as showing wearing one is worse than nothing when it comes to spreading the coronavirus.

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    By Jonathan Lambert

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    Don’t throw out your neck gaiters just yet.

    A new study has spurred numerous headlines declaring that neck gaiters may be worse than wearing no mask at all for controlling the spread of COVID-19. But the actual study, published August 7 in Science Advances, isn’t that conclusive, nor was it designed to be.

    “The headline that neck gaiters can be worse is totally inaccurate,” says Monica Gandhi, an infectious diseases specialist at the University of California, San Francisco. Publicity like this is worrisome because “it can turn people off of mask wearing, which we know can protect both the individual wearing the mask and those around them,” she says.

    Here are four reasons why you shouldn’t use this study to decide which mask to wear:


    1. The study tested how to test masks, not which masks are best.

    Masks have emerged as a crucial, science-backed tool for slowing the spread of COVID-19 (SN: 6/26/20). Since most people don’t have a personal stockpile of surgical masks, many have gotten creative, fashioning masks from T-shirts, bandanas or neck gaiters. But there hasn’t been much published research weighing whether some of these makeshift masks work better than others (SN: 4/9/20).


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    Martin Fischer, a chemist at Duke University, and his colleagues set out to develop a cheap and easy way that many labs could test the relative effectiveness of masks. In their setup, a masked person in a dark room speaks into a wide laser beam. Droplets spewed from the person’s speech show up neon green in the laser beam, moving like tiny meteor showers. Video captured on a cell phone is used to calculate the number of droplets.

    The researchers tested their setup by having one person speak the phrase, “Stay healthy, people,” into the laser beam while wearing one of 14 different mask types, including surgical masks, bandanas and knitted masks. (Some masks were tested on four people.) The team measured differences in the number of droplets over 10 trials. 14 photos of different types of masks


    The researchers calculated the fraction of droplet transmission from masks, setting a 100 percent baseline based on someone talking with no mask. A fitted N95 mask transmitted below 0.1 percent of particles, while the neck gaiter transmitted 110 percent. The authors argue this extra 10 percent might come from the fabric of the neck gaiter shearing large droplets into many smaller ones, which could, in principle, leave infectious particles airborne for longer (SN: 7/7/20).

    Various news outlets seized on that extra 10 percent as evidence that neck gaiters don’t work and may even be worse than nothing. Such conclusions, which were sometimes supported in news stories by the authors themselves, are too strong for a study its authors describe as a “proof-of-concept.” The authors did not respond to a request from Science News for comment.


    2. Testing one wearer is not enough.

    In general, a sample size of one is an anecdote, not data. To actually evaluate whether a mask is effective, researchers would need to test the mask on a variety of wearers. “At an absolute minimum you’d need to test six to 10 different subjects, and six to 10 samples of the same kind of mask,” says Charles Haas, an environmental engineer at Drexel University in Philadelphia.

    Masks may sit differently on different faces, which could affect how well they filter particles. And people vary in the number of droplets they produce when talking. In fact, when the authors tested more than one person, they found some talkers produced five times more droplets than others. And that’s after testing just four people.


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    Neck gaiters come in a wide variety of materials and thicknesses, too, and can be folded when worn, which would influence their effectiveness. “The study didn’t provide much detail on what the gaiters were made from, or how they were constructed,” which could affect how they work, Haas says.

    In the study, the authors themselves note that the experiment “should serve only as a demonstration. Inter-subject variations are to be expected, for example due to differences in physiology, mask fit, head position, speech pattern and such.”

    Says Haas: “It’s an interesting technique that could be useful. But the results of this study have been misinterpreted beyond what the authors intended.”


    3. Testing just for talking probably isn’t enough.

    Talking is just one way to produce droplets, and it may not be relevant to all situations. For instance, neck gaiters are especially popular among runners. How well these masks block droplets from heavy breathing, rather than talking, might be a more informative measure of their utility. Future research could also test how different masks fare while coughing, sneezing or singing.

    “There are so many different sources of variability that influence how well a mask works,” Haas says. “Without addressing those, making conclusions that differences are due to the type of mask is really a stretch.”


    4. Droplet number doesn’t necessarily equate to risk of transmission.

    The whole point of testing the effectiveness of different masks is to understand how each limits transmission of viral particles, and thus risk of spreading infection. “The best way to do that would be to take the coronavirus and expose individuals to it wearing different types of masks,” says Gandhi, the infectious diseases specialist. “Because we cannot do that for obvious ethical reasons, everything else is an approximation.”

    Measuring droplets is a reasonable proxy, she says, but doesn’t necessarily reflect how much a mask cuts risk of disease transmission, both from the wearer to others, as well as from others to the wearer. The environment factors in too, since indoor transmission has been shown to be more common than outdoor transmission (SN: 4/17/20).

    “I’m not convinced that this study accurately simulates how people are actually around each other,” she says. Even if, after testing enough people, certain masks weren’t as good as others, they still might be good enough to slow the spread of the virus.

    While we still have much to learn about masks and transmission, Gandhi says the preponderance of evidence, both for COVID-19 and earlier viruses, suggests “that cloth face masks, and that includes properly worn neck gaiters, filter out the majority of viral particles and provide some protection for an individual.”

  • There was a tv interview last night on the news,

    a health spar woman was complaining about being shut down

    and that they had everything covid proof


    all while wearing a fancy pink mask with a valve on,

    this got me thinking ,
    thats going to blow direct at you,

    utterly pointless.

  • There appear to be two main reasons for not wearing valved masks against infection.


    The first is that the valve only helps to filter and clean the air going in (which is why they are widely used in industry). It does not filter the air going out; in industry there is no reason why it should do so. It has already done its job, so you are breathing clean air out. But if you are infectious, you are blowing out infected unfiltered air straight from your lungs.


    The second reason is that the valve pressurises and accelerates the outbound breath, so whatever comes out is at a much higher velocity than a normal breath, and carries any infection much further. Some valves exit straight ahead. Others sideways, which isn't quite so bad.


    All this is fine if you are the one wearing it, but not so good for others.

    The medical profession try to avoid wearing them, unless there is no alternative, when it is a good idea to wear a shield as well. They are banned for medical use in some places.

  • Chinese miners fell ill with ‘covid-like virus’ in 2012, scientists claim.


    COVID-19 may have first struck eight years ago in a mineshaft in China rather than a wet market in Wuhan last year, scientists have claimed.

    In 2012 six people working at the Mojiang mine, in Yunnan province, suffered from a pneumonia-like sickness after completing a job removing bat faeces.

    In total three of them died after experiencing a fever, dry cough and other symptoms linked to COVID-19 and were treated in a similar way to those who contracted the virus.

    Virologist Jonathan Latham and molecular biologist Allison Wilson studied Chinese doctor Li Xu’s thesis on the incident and now claim it could have been the first occurrence of the infection.

    The scientists previously wrote: ‘The evidence it contains has led us to reconsider everything we thought we knew about the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic.’

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    Latham told the New York Post COVID-19 ‘almost certainly escaped’ from a lab in Wuhan.

    Samples from the miners had apparently been kept at the lab and scientists found a SARS-like coronavirus linked to a bat caused the virus.

    The Chinese have vehemently denied this and say they believe the virus originated in a wet market last December.

    Latham and Wilson, who works for the Bioscience Resource Project, added: ‘It implies that the illnesses of the six miners were of high concern and, second, that a SARS-like coronavirus was considered a likely cause.’

  • You seem to forget that doctors and nurses are wearing masks to protect themselves while they work on you who presumably have some complaint or disease, or you wouldn't be in there. They are not wearing a mask to protect you from them, at least, I certainly hope not....:reddevil:

    The blue type masks that hook over the ears are conventionally used to reduce contaminants from the wearer.


    Those masks are indeed primarily worn by Dr's and nurses to increase protection for the patient.