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  • I'm a bit taken aback by the anti-union rhetoric that some have shared on here. It seems some have swallowed the kool-aid served up with Daily Express tokens. Although it is many decades since I was a bona fide teacher I was active in one of the teacher unions. By far the biggest workload was in supporting teachers who had come under fire from management for an often trumped-up misdemeanour resulting from a conflict of personality. Fair employment practice came about after years of prolonged campaigning and struggle and a good union rep was worth their weight in gold in seeing that agreed procedures were followed. Too many members of management and school governing bodies were too quick to condemn and would try all sorts of tricks to undermine the agreed procedure. Our union also had a hardship fund and I was grateful for that on one occasion when my employer without notice docked three weeks' wages at a stroke when I had to take time off when one of my kids was born.


    Unions came about for a reason. Employers can easily pick off individuals. In a hierarchical structure workers need informed and recognised representation.

    one mans option of their union is as unique as the union itself. Your aware I’m speaking from experience of the NUM only.


    NUM, where a man could down tools over any issue and the workforce was expected out in support. The union by definition would steer proceedings. A day down was worth more to the cause, than a quick resolution from the management and turning coal.
    Since the miners strike 1984/5 unions have lost theIr power, although not their purpose. Having had the opportunity to join two further unions 1990 onwards, which I declined membership.
    So if your referring to me drinking kool-aid. Can you elaborate?

  • I am out of it all its all bollocks,

    left right

    far left far right,

    sick of the bullshit flying around.


    I am sick of right bigots and there plus four opinions


    and i equally am sick of the champagne socialists wanting to change the uk and world to suit what fits them and not what fits everyone.


    In fact on the top of the rogues gallery I am realy sick of champagne socialists, wanting to fkk the system and stick it to the man while sitting on a mass enherited fortune living in big old houses and homesteads.


    I am for the working man going out there day in day out and earning seen it with me and i saw it with a lad who had nothing an alcholic who lost his gf, driving licensce 3 times and worked with me in the wet many years ago.


    Fast forward to now he hardly drinks, he s a top driver for eddie stobart made a fortune driving the biggest truck and he s opened a cafe employed staff and trying to succed at that.


    He never blamed the system but he got there gave up the booze and worked his way to a better life and i know it was hard for him giving up the booze,


    likewise i hate the right because there opinionated asses as well, with a mob rule of oilskin wax and lead.



    In fact i hate both sides with vigour all dicks with a mob rule mentality, you have to be part of a movement to be somebody.


    I like the mavericks the loners the edgy the eccentric who go out there and dont want to be sucked into a flock of seagulls

  • That post is full of passion prepper. The same passion however those on the far left, far right, far from Being right, who get up every morning, when they then put their twopence worth forward. Nothing wrong with realising your own mind either. Your a good bloke who will work hard for your lot, you’ll probably do owt for anyone and not go out your way to cause harm. Being true to yourself and your beliefs is admirable, but never fear to have your views & mind challenged or changed. None of us have all the answers or solutions and passion has made many of us become blinkered to the changing world around us.


    Still nice post mate: respect :thumbup:

  • one mans option of their union is as unique as the union itself. Your aware I’m speaking from experience of the NUM only.


    NUM, where a man could down tools over any issue and the workforce was expected out in support. The union by definition would steer proceedings. A day down was worth more to the cause, than a quick resolution from the management and turning coal.
    Since the miners strike 1984/5 unions have lost theIr power, although not their purpose. Having had the opportunity to join two further unions 1990 onwards, which I declined membership.
    So if your referring to me drinking kool-aid. Can you elaborate?

    If I had thought about it I could have extrapolated that you may have been referring to your experience in the mining industry. Until you raised the point I didn't know whether or not you have experienced other organisations than the NUM. I wasn't referring to you specifically. My comment was spurred by a general feeling that seemed to be surfacing in this discussion that unions do not support the people they represent and I wanted to challenge that. Maybe I was being over-sensitive and if so I apologise for any offence I have caused. However, partly through laziness, I didn't go back to check and name specific people. As with many other things I've written in the past it's a case of "if the cap fits, wear it". If I need to be specific in singling out individuals we are not going to have much chance of a discussion. I'm not going to be up for rational discussion if I'm busy licking my wounds. I'm not going to confront you directly on this or any other point because I don't know your life and experience well enough to comment in this medium and I'm certainly not going to pass judgement on specific people. Discussions like these are better had in real time and I would love to do that one day round a fire.


    As for referring to Kool-Aid it was a reference to people who swallow without question what they are told.

    https://www.reference.com/worl…aid-mean-31d84449c8e953c6



    The Daily Express is notorious for its inaccurate annual predictions of weather-geddon of one sort or another and it is, to the best of my understanding, no fan of the trade union movement. The main burden of my argument is that unions are not the enemy of the people. They have done and continue to do a lot of good for the people they represent. Then again, my own experience is mainly in the arts and education sectors. My brother has lived and worked in the USA for decades. He has worked for management in the food-processing industry in HR and sees himself as a union-crushing crusader. He tells me that trade unions in the USA are run by the mafia and that he himself has had to sit at the table with members of the Mob to thrash out some agreement or other. We don't have much to do with each other and I have no idea how much truth there is in what he says.


    Like you mention with the NUM, Ford was another company that was notorious in the 1960s and 1970s for industrial unrest that regularly made the news and undoubtedly there have been others. I am guessing that where unions have been big enough to support full-time staff the dynamic has tended to be towards ideological rather than purely pragmatic solutions. On both sides I see at least part of the problem being a gradual detachment from the real lives of the people who do the work that keeps everyone else associated with an organisation in clover.


    When I left school I went to work for a small family firm of builders in London as a driver/labourer. We had a decorator who kept trying to stir up the the other tradesmen to action on one made-up pretext or other and he waved a union rulebook around often. He struck me as a rebel without a cause, but he was quite smart and wasted in that role. Had he got his way he would have lost us all our jobs. His understanding of trade-unionism and collective bargaining was very shaky despite his forceful personality. This was definitely not a "Ragged Trousered Philathropists" - type building operation.


    I suppose anything worthy can be subverted.


    Er, sorry ... coronavirus?

  • Thanks for expanding. Sorry I wasn’t wanting to have a go or challenge your post. I had not intended singling out a Union, but Possibly a unions intention.
    I would expect any union to protect a members health from the outset anyway. I understood that no essential worker has been “forced to work” during lockdown where adequate PPE wasn’t available and in that case, the right to withdraw labour was a given.

    in my post, my concern was the “potential” for a union/s to flex muscle (especially in light of Keir Starmer’s new position) and the unions positioning “Within the Labour Party/movement” during a very sensitive time for any government trying to get the County back on its feet.


    Unions are at their strongest when a government is on the back foot. I’ve done some extreme things in the name of my union. A union that would leave the nation in the cold and dark to force a result.


    You’ve reminded me. Whilst at a NUM gala in Nottinghamshire 1984 I signed up to & bought a “T shirt.“ (which I still have somewhere) Musicians Union “DON’T LET THE BASTARDS GRIND YOU DOWN”. I got £2.50 strike money per week (if I walked the 12mile each way, daily, for the whole five days) The T Shirt cost me £2.40 I seem to remember. So my union involvement extends to the two unions. (It’s red, but faded to redIsh-pink) with all the time that’s passed. :)

  • Well, here we are in Texas, folks, and you'll be glad to know of the coronavirus cure....


    Texan Republican and religious ideas aside, this is quite interesting, and would bring the treatment of covid-19 under fairly routine medical lines.


    Ciclesonide as well as Budesonide and other corticosteroids have also been used. Presumably their use has to be started early in the onset of covid-19.


    I have not seen any papers published by medical scientists in any of the countries cited in the interview which go into detail about this treatment, but preliminary trials are being undertaken at the University of Oxford.


    All interesting stuff.....

  • Are you not sucked in then prepper?


    Who are these working men that you rate so highly working for and to what end? Do you really want them and you to spend so much time working to line the pockets of others with gold? Full respect to you and them but mirroring the mores of awful profiteers, without objection, is a bit over committed.


    That said it is also a fairly sure way to survive and thrive so sounds like a very sensible and rational path to follow.


    Enjoy the misery.

  • Yup.... Or that I guess.


    I wouldn't recommend it though and it is not an entirely fair nor particularly accurate portrayal of my attitude nor predicaments.


    But you know... A doobie or two and a glass of wine and you get all bitchy.


    I strive to be honest and try to be good... I get that expressing those values might be objectionable.

  • As always; and in all situations, I am positively overjoyed to be of service and bringing a little cheer at my expense is an authentically priceless experience: in all contexts.


    On another level its good to see that our particular love/hate relationship is blossoming.


    Hug, kiss. Arm wrestle?