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  • I'm a bit taken aback by the anti-union rhetoric that some have shared on here. It seems some have swallowed the kool-aid served up with Daily Express tokens. Although it is many decades since I was a bona fide teacher I was active in one of the teacher unions. By far the biggest workload was in supporting teachers who had come under fire from management for an often trumped-up misdemeanour resulting from a conflict of personality. Fair employment practice came about after years of prolonged campaigning and struggle and a good union rep was worth their weight in gold in seeing that agreed procedures were followed. Too many members of management and school governing bodies were too quick to condemn and would try all sorts of tricks to undermine the agreed procedure. Our union also had a hardship fund and I was grateful for that on one occasion when my employer without notice docked three weeks' wages at a stroke when I had to take time off when one of my kids was born.


    Unions came about for a reason. Employers can easily pick off individuals. In a hierarchical structure workers need informed and recognised representation.

    one mans option of their union is as unique as the union itself. Your aware I’m speaking from experience of the NUM only.


    NUM, where a man could down tools over any issue and the workforce was expected out in support. The union by definition would steer proceedings. A day down was worth more to the cause, than a quick resolution from the management and turning coal.
    Since the miners strike 1984/5 unions have lost theIr power, although not their purpose. Having had the opportunity to join two further unions 1990 onwards, which I declined membership.
    So if your referring to me drinking kool-aid. Can you elaborate?

  • I am out of it all its all bollocks,

    left right

    far left far right,

    sick of the bullshit flying around.


    I am sick of right bigots and there plus four opinions


    and i equally am sick of the champagne socialists wanting to change the uk and world to suit what fits them and not what fits everyone.


    In fact on the top of the rogues gallery I am realy sick of champagne socialists, wanting to fkk the system and stick it to the man while sitting on a mass enherited fortune living in big old houses and homesteads.


    I am for the working man going out there day in day out and earning seen it with me and i saw it with a lad who had nothing an alcholic who lost his gf, driving licensce 3 times and worked with me in the wet many years ago.


    Fast forward to now he hardly drinks, he s a top driver for eddie stobart made a fortune driving the biggest truck and he s opened a cafe employed staff and trying to succed at that.


    He never blamed the system but he got there gave up the booze and worked his way to a better life and i know it was hard for him giving up the booze,


    likewise i hate the right because there opinionated asses as well, with a mob rule of oilskin wax and lead.



    In fact i hate both sides with vigour all dicks with a mob rule mentality, you have to be part of a movement to be somebody.


    I like the mavericks the loners the edgy the eccentric who go out there and dont want to be sucked into a flock of seagulls

  • That post is full of passion prepper. The same passion however those on the far left, far right, far from Being right, who get up every morning, when they then put their twopence worth forward. Nothing wrong with realising your own mind either. Your a good bloke who will work hard for your lot, you’ll probably do owt for anyone and not go out your way to cause harm. Being true to yourself and your beliefs is admirable, but never fear to have your views & mind challenged or changed. None of us have all the answers or solutions and passion has made many of us become blinkered to the changing world around us.


    Still nice post mate: respect :thumbup:

  • one mans option of their union is as unique as the union itself. Your aware I’m speaking from experience of the NUM only.


    NUM, where a man could down tools over any issue and the workforce was expected out in support. The union by definition would steer proceedings. A day down was worth more to the cause, than a quick resolution from the management and turning coal.
    Since the miners strike 1984/5 unions have lost theIr power, although not their purpose. Having had the opportunity to join two further unions 1990 onwards, which I declined membership.
    So if your referring to me drinking kool-aid. Can you elaborate?

    If I had thought about it I could have extrapolated that you may have been referring to your experience in the mining industry. Until you raised the point I didn't know whether or not you have experienced other organisations than the NUM. I wasn't referring to you specifically. My comment was spurred by a general feeling that seemed to be surfacing in this discussion that unions do not support the people they represent and I wanted to challenge that. Maybe I was being over-sensitive and if so I apologise for any offence I have caused. However, partly through laziness, I didn't go back to check and name specific people. As with many other things I've written in the past it's a case of "if the cap fits, wear it". If I need to be specific in singling out individuals we are not going to have much chance of a discussion. I'm not going to be up for rational discussion if I'm busy licking my wounds. I'm not going to confront you directly on this or any other point because I don't know your life and experience well enough to comment in this medium and I'm certainly not going to pass judgement on specific people. Discussions like these are better had in real time and I would love to do that one day round a fire.


    As for referring to Kool-Aid it was a reference to people who swallow without question what they are told.

    https://www.reference.com/worl…aid-mean-31d84449c8e953c6



    The Daily Express is notorious for its inaccurate annual predictions of weather-geddon of one sort or another and it is, to the best of my understanding, no fan of the trade union movement. The main burden of my argument is that unions are not the enemy of the people. They have done and continue to do a lot of good for the people they represent. Then again, my own experience is mainly in the arts and education sectors. My brother has lived and worked in the USA for decades. He has worked for management in the food-processing industry in HR and sees himself as a union-crushing crusader. He tells me that trade unions in the USA are run by the mafia and that he himself has had to sit at the table with members of the Mob to thrash out some agreement or other. We don't have much to do with each other and I have no idea how much truth there is in what he says.


    Like you mention with the NUM, Ford was another company that was notorious in the 1960s and 1970s for industrial unrest that regularly made the news and undoubtedly there have been others. I am guessing that where unions have been big enough to support full-time staff the dynamic has tended to be towards ideological rather than purely pragmatic solutions. On both sides I see at least part of the problem being a gradual detachment from the real lives of the people who do the work that keeps everyone else associated with an organisation in clover.


    When I left school I went to work for a small family firm of builders in London as a driver/labourer. We had a decorator who kept trying to stir up the the other tradesmen to action on one made-up pretext or other and he waved a union rulebook around often. He struck me as a rebel without a cause, but he was quite smart and wasted in that role. Had he got his way he would have lost us all our jobs. His understanding of trade-unionism and collective bargaining was very shaky despite his forceful personality. This was definitely not a "Ragged Trousered Philathropists" - type building operation.


    I suppose anything worthy can be subverted.


    Er, sorry ... coronavirus?

  • Thanks for expanding. Sorry I wasn’t wanting to have a go or challenge your post. I had not intended singling out a Union, but Possibly a unions intention.
    I would expect any union to protect a members health from the outset anyway. I understood that no essential worker has been “forced to work” during lockdown where adequate PPE wasn’t available and in that case, the right to withdraw labour was a given.

    in my post, my concern was the “potential” for a union/s to flex muscle (especially in light of Keir Starmer’s new position) and the unions positioning “Within the Labour Party/movement” during a very sensitive time for any government trying to get the County back on its feet.


    Unions are at their strongest when a government is on the back foot. I’ve done some extreme things in the name of my union. A union that would leave the nation in the cold and dark to force a result.


    You’ve reminded me. Whilst at a NUM gala in Nottinghamshire 1984 I signed up to & bought a “T shirt.“ (which I still have somewhere) Musicians Union “DON’T LET THE BASTARDS GRIND YOU DOWN”. I got £2.50 strike money per week (if I walked the 12mile each way, daily, for the whole five days) The T Shirt cost me £2.40 I seem to remember. So my union involvement extends to the two unions. (It’s red, but faded to redIsh-pink) with all the time that’s passed. :)

  • Well, here we are in Texas, folks, and you'll be glad to know of the coronavirus cure....


    Texan Republican and religious ideas aside, this is quite interesting, and would bring the treatment of covid-19 under fairly routine medical lines.


    Ciclesonide as well as Budesonide and other corticosteroids have also been used. Presumably their use has to be started early in the onset of covid-19.


    I have not seen any papers published by medical scientists in any of the countries cited in the interview which go into detail about this treatment, but preliminary trials are being undertaken at the University of Oxford.


    All interesting stuff.....

  • Are you not sucked in then prepper?


    Who are these working men that you rate so highly working for and to what end? Do you really want them and you to spend so much time working to line the pockets of others with gold? Full respect to you and them but mirroring the mores of awful profiteers, without objection, is a bit over committed.


    That said it is also a fairly sure way to survive and thrive so sounds like a very sensible and rational path to follow.


    Enjoy the misery.

  • Yup.... Or that I guess.


    I wouldn't recommend it though and it is not an entirely fair nor particularly accurate portrayal of my attitude nor predicaments.


    But you know... A doobie or two and a glass of wine and you get all bitchy.


    I strive to be honest and try to be good... I get that expressing those values might be objectionable.

  • As always; and in all situations, I am positively overjoyed to be of service and bringing a little cheer at my expense is an authentically priceless experience: in all contexts.


    On another level its good to see that our particular love/hate relationship is blossoming.


    Hug, kiss. Arm wrestle?

  • France making mask wearing outside in Paris mandatory, when the law comes here how many UKsheeple will comply with yet another draconian measure??

    I’m not sure, if I’m in town or public place and the threat of a fine hangs over it, I might sheeple. But in the local vicinity of my wagon, certainly not.


    I know plenty folk who would fk another, knowing full well they have a STD at the time. A persons regard for their fellow humans well-being, apparently seems to depend on the individual.

  • If anyone actually believes that wearing a face covering will protect them and all others because they were told so by government and their representatives who have proven time and again they are liars and incompetents then they are of the flock of sheeple.

    On the few occasions I have been approached by staff and once by police I simply state that a mask affects my breathing. I do not e mask he waselaborate as I have no obligation to do so and they have no right to demand I divulge personal medical details.

    I did elaborate to a Cineworld manager on one occasion as when he apologised to me saying he did not realise I had an illness I actually stopped and said I never said such a thing and pointed out the obvious to him that the mask he was wearing, below his nose, undoubtedly had an affect on his breathing. Enjoy the film sir was his reply.ritt

    .gov.uk page on face coverings scroll down and you'll find all you need to effectively tell people and sheeple to fuck off in written form.

  • I dont think a mask protects you against viral infection but i arnt a doctor or expert in any field.


    However i think it may prevent you spreading the C virus by breathing droplets on people and objects in food stores.


    The madness i cant get my head around is you have to be masked up to go in a socially distanced shop, but in a pub, cafe, restaurant you dont need a mask!


    obvs you cant drink or eat with a mask but while queing waiting, etc there is still risk.


    I have no gripe wearing a mask, i ve been in itchy lofts in a space a ferrit would struggle to fit in with a boiler suit on on a hot day thats pain thats horrible


    and the nhs nurses are wearing them to protect hopefully themselves and you by not spreading droplets on you the public and the hospital surroundings.


    So ill never moan about wearing a mask when nurses doctors nhs workers in this heat and stress there under hving to wear full ppe plastic suits, visors, masks, gowns, etc


    makes joe public moaning about wearing a mask to get a pint of milk seem a bit daft.

  • There's nothing stopping anyone wearing a face flannel and a bit of string instead of a mask; after all, you are complying with the law.

    You could even have "It's all balls" marker-penned on the flannel, if you so wanted. The possibilities are endless if you want to take the piss....


    Wearing a face covering in the open street is a pointless exercise, unless there are so many people struggling to get along that you are bumping into each other. We don't have any streets like that locally; in fact I've only ever seen that intensity of people in touristy parts of London, years ago.


    While I sympathise with everyone who has to wear protective gear in the NHS and similar fields, remember it is often part of the job, and for your own good. I wouldn't want to be welding without a full-face helmet on....

  • remember it is often part of the job, and for your own good. I wouldn't want to be welding without a full-face helmet on....

    you but you dont pickup or spread coronavirus from a welding torch.

    that you can spread and infect and possible kill someone,


    So it starts from the top docs nurses where ppe to stop infection while they work on you and dont kill you, always been so and now it l become even more the norm and be so.


    whining about wearing a mask to go in a shop is sod all in the grand scheme of things, wear a mask stop whining

  • I see masks being worn badly. I see masks being adjusted and moved a huge amount. I think there's more instances of mask wearers touching their masks than they would have touched their faces.

    If you want to inhale your usual amount of air you will be effectively sucking in harder. Any potentially nasty droplets in the air from others close by are more likely to be attracted to a low air pressure area, a vacuum in front of your face. If you are lucky when it lands and stays for God knows how long on the surface of your moist welcoming mask you won't end up sucking it through a surface that's probably porous enough to let viruses through side by side in a large hokey cokey chain.

    Then the mostly ungloved mask wearers will touch their mask and transfer whatever to door handles and all the other shit they handle

    Properly fitted correct micron size masks with face visor that doesn't allow hands access to face and gloves that are regularly changed or it doesn't mean shit. Except to those who desperately want to feel "safe"

    I would be far from surprised if future evidence showed that the wearing of face coverings of insignificant protective value led to a false sense of security and complacency that aggravated this whole farce.

    One of the biggest jokes of it all is the amount of twats who feel compelled to obey a law to wear a mask but as they exit a place automatically act like a cunt and toss it on the floor in defiance of litter laws.

    If your going to bow to the assholes in government over masks you'd best get yourself a cap as well. Then you can post your doffing vids on farcebook, twatter and the like.

  • What's next? , sheeple have to wear gloves, safety goggles, let the authorities take your kids away to special schools, you have to wear yellow stars ,get into a cattle carriage and have a shower in a nice camp,where do you draw the line ???

  • Alternative, free thinking, anarchist , all good hippy traits, but are we forgetting respect ?

    I had to venture in to a corner shop yesterday ,parked right outside and saw 2 peeps enter with no masks, both were asian in appearance so I assumed they owned /worked there.As they went in I saw an A3 sized laminate 'PLEASE WEAR A FACE COVERING', so I adorned my mask and entered, the shopkeeper had erected a screen and was wearing gloves so was taking it seriously.

    Personally I would not show the disrepect of entering HIS premises and going against the 'house rules'.

    Two more words .... 'common sense' , if it is the new world order trying to kill everyone on this flat earth with a deadly virus spread by asian hornets living in 5g masts so that queenie and the rest of the lizard peeps can take over then not everybody is in the know , those average non illuminatti medical persons are doing their best to mitigate a relatively new and nasty disease,if they say a mask helps then who am I to argue ?

  • If you wore a mask at the beginning of this farce in defiance of governments completely useless advice to the contrary and have continued to do so good on you. You have exercised sound judgement and good old commonsense whilst facing a barrage of official nonsensical " advice" given by those who completely failed the nation from the get go.

    If you didn't wear such because you were TOLD not to and you now wear such because you're TOLD to do so then your just yet another fucking idiot taking orders from another idiot you've accepted as superior to yourself. Unfortunately in many instances that is probably so.

    Imposing the wearing of masks now will not make up for failure to shut down international travel, put a protective ring round those who so patently would need such and so on.

    Now many of the easy targets of the virus have been killed, not just died but been killed, might as well now go for the herd immunity and shorten the chaos.

    Masks will prolong this bullshit by probably quite a margin.

  • If you wore a mask at the beginning of this farce in defiance of governments completely useless advice to the contrary and have continued to do so good on you. You have exercised sound judgement and good old commonsense whilst facing a barrage of official nonsensical " advice" given by those who completely failed the nation from the get go.

    That’s the nicest things you’ve said that actually includes me. I was getting fed up of being called “sheeple” though. I’ve been wearing a homemade mask with a disposable mask inside it since day one in public spaces (shops/chemist etc) and until I ran out I also wore disposable gloves at the same time.


    I agree fully it’s been a mixed bag of conflicting advice from both medical and government agencies and it Possibly still is. So none of us can be 100% sure that any of those measures promoted have been beneficial or effective. In the early days, wearing a mask on a public street got us a wide birth from other members of the public who were not wearing a mask. Resulting in immediate self distancing without making any extra effort, other than wearing the mask. Win win.


    Living like some of us do, I don’t have easy access to hot/warm running water to wash my hands any more often than I would usually do. A weak link in my own risk assessment no doubt.

    Humans unconsciously touch their face, hair, beards, clothes many times throughout the day. We use our hands, facial muscles, lips to communicate with others and learned personal habits. Just washing our hands more often during times of exposure to environment contamination will reduce risk. If wearing a face mask adds further barriers, reduces risk of increasing the R rate. Raises collective awareness etc. It’s a dam good educational exercise, not only to curb the spread of COVID but any future (Far more dangerous) potential viral/biological threat.


    Regarding herd immunity. I would have been happy to give this a go. If it killed me, tough shit. If I were responsible for the death of a loved one or friend, that would have been too high a price to pay. Isolation offered an alternative. Most of us tried our best.

  • Ok but the asian couple could have health issues with masks?? In fact we should all have health issues with them, they are useless, they are a compliant show of servitude and they will fuggin make u sick by breathing all those harmful gases, l respect u dudes in lots of ways but you are starting to sound like little scared sheeple!