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  • The big machine keeps turning and those making the massive profits and the world leaders need this to carry on to keep them in the lives they are accustomed to and desire.

    5 years ago a great deal of the wood pulp imported into the UK came from Russia. This is/was harvested from the middle of nowhere, using cheap Korean labour “holed up in Korean Labour camps” established throughout the USSR. Some of these Korean FORCED workers are made to stay working in these camps for periods of 3 years (unskilled labour) plant operators/drivers/tree fellers (skilled workers) can be made to work for 5 to 10 years in the USSR. Only getting a brief holiday back in a Korea. The camps are modelled on a typical Korean village with all the propaganda and ideology. When returning to Korea after their work detail, the workers are sent away to be re-educated (brainwashed) for six weeks.


    This is indeed how the big machines/governments work. Exploiting everything and everyone.

  • Presume you mean in Russia. The USSR hasnt existed since 1991. I exoect the Koreans were North Koreans because at the time the Russians had trade arrangements with NK until the weird hair do muppet upset Putin.

    I also expect they got better pay and work conditions in Russia than in NK.


    Guvmints exploit people,doesnt really matter what the country or system. The UK is no different its just better at hiding the truth.

  • Presume you mean in Russia. The USSR hasnt existed since 1991. I exoect the Koreans were North Koreans because at the time the Russians had trade arrangements with NK until the weird hair do muppet upset Putin.

    I also expect they got better pay and work conditions in Russia than in NK.


    Guvmints exploit people,doesnt really matter what the country or system. The UK is no different its just better at hiding the truth.

    yes, Russia. Im in the habitat of Typing USSR and yes North Korea. 2011 these labour camps in Russia were operating.

  • like it or not. We are in bed with the yanks when it comes to defence. Most of the airforce bases around me have a large contingency of US staff and military personnel stationed and active.


    Regarding the sale of this particular company. It is the wish of its shareholders and the original family owners to sell. The main concern is based on future security (if identified security risks can’t be managed) Otherwise it’s business as usual regardless of which party is in a Government.

  • Its a bit of a bugger selling off our assets as usual but what if it had to be sold anyway, would it be sold to a french, german, chinese (we sold nuclear to them) , or Saudi who knows I guess its a shame we cant own our own businesses and defence is a serious issue but there was talk of a European armed force, and that did sound like we would be providing the finance for that.


    On a different note, we have in the past sold our sould to the devil, the alcehemy bid for rover (I know it was a private company not a public service like defence) which then ended up asset stripped, and the best bits knicked, then of course jaguar, landrover, mini, all pinched by germany best bits hived off but we let it happen, maybe the yanks will do the same who knows.


    We do need to be a forward thinking nation on a global scale, were pretty good ad designing things like unmanned vehicles, there is a company near me that makes remote controlled subs and all sorts of kit that very high tech, its a growing company going huge, it makes unmanned drones, and devices for doing dangerous tasks like cleaning the legacy ponds at Sellafield.


    We need to get going as a nation, sod division believe in ourselves, we all know german and Japanese engineering is the best in the world but can we design invent and make better.

  • Hmm wasn't quite a lot of airbases funded/sunbsidised by the americans, during and after ww2, the cold war, etc, cant remember much money coming from the eu during those years. If the yanks buy up stuff like this arnt we saving tax payer money ok there after a fat profit on the back of war but fundemetentally surely it reduces the strain on the taxpayer? Maybe iam wrong.

  • It's being bought by a Yankee Hedge Fund, Gee. These companies buy stuff, hold them for a year or so, then sell off the best bits first. They can sell to anybody, that's the problem. Anyone in the world who offers them the biggest profit. That's part of the security problem....

  • Thats not good, I just arnt keen on boris johnson, he may bolster the mood of the country but its whats going on behind the scenes his mates all at the trough selling off the last bits of public assets, or selling off anything thats worth anything, usually to cheap, he s defo a carreer politician he might won again or i suspect he will do his four years, and do quite a bit of damage.


    I did like corbyns straight talking he was a true opponent but far far to radical.


    Dont know why but i liked chuka amoona but i didnt agree with his stance on brexit.


    So it looks like a hedge fund comes in and buys stuff thats been financed and owned by the taxpayer, probably for a bargain, then if we are lucky that investment saves the taxpayer money by not having to finance a part of defence for a bit, and it brings in investment.


    but if not we ve sold off some of our assets, it gets shut down and sold off to the highest bidder, from anyone in the world, and either production carries on there or its "moved" with loss of jobs patents, knowlege.

  • It is already a desert nation.... If there was ever a moment to halt the greed it is long passed.


    Tories are fairly honest about being self interested cunts... asset holding lefties not so much....


    None of these people are interested in anything except inflating their own wealth and happiness.

  • Only a war, or conditions of extreme privation, will halt the greed.

    Only when everyone needs to depend on everyone else will they start thinking of other people. You look out for folk more after you've been there yourself, and have been in their shoes.

    Then folk start looking for socialism, and fairness of distribution, and sharing whatever is available.

    At such a time there would still be greedy individuals, of course, who wanted far more than their share. But they would have to change. And for those that did not, the guillotine or the machine-guns could be waiting.

  • The war was a leveler to some degree, at least on the surface. Those who had the quid had to keep quiet about it for awhile, although you could still tell by their accents where they came from, where they were educated, and what sort of work they didn't do.

    Among working people for some years after the war the spirit of camaraderie and helping each other out continued, but gradually grew less in the increasing commerialisation of society in the 1960's and 1970's, and what was left vanished, I think, in the Thatcher-inspired grab-it-now attitude of the 1980's and 1990's.

    If you look at society in grim environmental conditions like Alaska and Siberia etc, you will find that people have to help each other, and depend upon each other to survive, and there is short thrift given to lazy beggars and those who steal from others.

  • The queen has more of the land and more of the quid than most others, zendaze, so how can you expect her to give it up? She's probably the wealthiest monarch on the planet. An accepted part of those who run the country, both at a public and a private level.


    In the (weakly) socialist period after the war these people withdrew their fortunes from public gaze, but certainly hung on to them. A fine pretence of 'people-power' was made by their agents, the newspapers and the BBC, but behind the scenes they plotted for the day when the philosophy of personal greed could be used upon the masses....

  • After the war many wealthy families were hit hardby death duties, as many lost there sons thus no aires, plus the government taxed them hard for the good of the country, i can remember hearing tales from my dad as a lad working with other blokes on big country houses being demolished with big wrecking balls and the stone ironically being used in the towns to build council houses, people had nothing in the 50s including estates, but the estates kind of brooded angrily waiting for a heavy return, sent there kids to the best schools got networks going again, laywers, finance, etc, now the grandsons and great grandsons of the war gentry are back with a chip on there shoulder never to let it go again, there smarter and harder.

  • Dunno.


    If ya'll want to accept it that's down to you and your conscience....


    I see it. I don't accept it.


    We are all different.... it doesn't float my boat.... But the gentry clearly have sycophants otherwise they would be less land rich.


    I'll argue it forever but truly don't give a toss because I've birthed no victims into this sick society.

  • The queen has more of the land and more of the quid than most others, zendaze, so how can you expect her to give it up? She's probably the wealthiest monarch on the planet. An accepted part of those who run the country, both at a public and a private level.


    In the (weakly) socialist period after the war these people withdrew their fortunes from public gaze, but certainly hung on to them. A fine pretence of 'people-power' was made by their agents, the newspapers and the BBC, but behind the scenes they plotted for the day when the philosophy of personal greed could be used upon the masses....

    Oh fuck bollocks WHAT?


    Cunt, cuntitude, bollocks and bastard twat WHAT?




    Let's contribute even more to the monarchies pot...


    Why not introduce a special tax on serfs to help maintain the Royal kudos and buildings?

  • For all the destine folk have in the run up to Christmas. The unmeasurable anticipation, excitement, joy our privileged kids experience (without drugs of any kind) Christmas really is a magical time before the world turns dark and the children have to grow up and deal with reality.


    look back to a good Christmas in your own childhood and let Christmas be for the kids and not just for dogs the money.

    On behalf of those kids who may just be wiping your arse and sick up in your lingering days. Love and peace from the Christmas monsters :xmerry:

  • FFS are people demented,who the fuck would give up Christmas morning or any morning for that matter in the middle of Norfolk to watch a load of over privileged tossers trundling into church to give blessings for their position at the head of the trough,madness.

  • like it or not. We are in bed with the yanks when it comes to defence. Most of the airforce bases around me have a large contingency of US staff and military personnel stationed and active.


    Regarding the sale of this particular company. It is the wish of its shareholders and the original family owners to sell. The main concern is based on future security (if identified security risks can’t be managed) Otherwise it’s business as usual regardless of which party is in a Government.

    Indeed the UK is in bed with the US or at least the politicians and corporate heads are. The problem with Britain is non of them have any long-term view anymore,since Thatcher its all become about short termism,asset stripping and selling off for the quickest buck to whoever has the money.

    The shareholders may well have voted for this sale,most probably because of the uncertainty of the May Brexit fiasco.


    The key issue is this industry has become very rich indeed from British Government contracts and public money and from selling to NATO countries and Saudi and Israeli defence interests. Now all that is being handed over into the control of a US hedge fund to asset strip as they choose and move much of the technological innovation into the hands of the US and manufacturing to wherever the cheapest labour market is. Furthermore the considerable tax revenue from its defence sales will no longer go into the British treasury but to the US and into Tax havens. Non of it will benefit the UK.


    For a prime minister who claimed to want to make Britain great again and to lead the world again and keep uttering that Britain should have confidence in itself to stand on its own two feet hes just proving hes no more the liar than we already know he u

    Is and that he will continue to sell off the country and its industries and services to the highest bidder.


    I dont see any difference or benefit in replacing EU masters with US ones and watching our country systematically disassembled and sold off so a minority of the Elite can rub their hands with glee and reduce our domestic employment market and pay even more.


    Now we've got Brexit upon us we should have a government thats organising to build a domestic manufacturing base not fucking giving it away.

  • Now we've got Brexit upon us we should have a government thats organusing to build a domestic manufacturing base not fucking giving it away.

    if “The business” was that good. The shareholders and British gov, MOD elites, would move very strongly to prevent/stop this sale or at least intorvien. Safeguarding not only our potential security risks, but a thriving/stable British business asset, Tax revenue and much needed British jobs.


    This technology is now out there and has been for several years. In the hands of many who are prepared to sell on.

    I imagine secrete negotiations have been taking place even before the first referendum. Companies like this are fluid and approached all the time.
    other/New British or partner companies will have had the opportunity to cherrypick staff/ scientists etc and what was sold is last years cake with new candles on it. The world is changing and making money solely out of war machine manufacturing isn’t a good base to sit a emerging empire portfolio, unless the status quo is a preference.
    we haven’t been the manufacturing empire since pre Thatcher years and like most of the world, company trading goes with having opened doors to shareholders. If it was government owned. We the voters/tax payers would probably insist it’s shut down and tax spent on defence technology diverted to propping up struggling services or NHS.


    Boris sees what Trump has done to bring much needed manufacturing and jobs back home. Let’s see if they do really have a plan and if that plan involves draining the swamp and dredging the culverts of “so last years companies.” We can’t keep them all, so let’s keep only the best!

  • Thing is, we never seem to keep the best. Anything that makes a profit here is seen as a saleable asset & sold abroad. That's why we own fuck all worth having now. We are coming out of Europe finally, but not before the bastards govt have sold all our energy suppliers to European companies & Asia. The most popular 4x4 of all time was sold to Germany who shut down the company & terminated a British icon. The mini, arguably the most popular small car in the world, fuckin gone forever to be replaced with a fuckin abomination that doesn't deserve the name 'mini'. What the fuck sort of chance have we got while this shower of greedy self serving cunts are fuckin us over to line the pockets of themselves & their cronies?....

  • Cobham wasnt a struggling arms company it had billions in orders on its books and has leading technology in arms and armour.

    It just illustrates perfectly the short termism that is like a cancer in British companies and shareholsers,theyre more interested in how rich they can get as quickly as possible. It would ve unthinkable fir US defence technology companies to be sold to a foreign interest,even an ally country.


    The UK has twice in 12 months sold two multi billion pound technology companies to the Chinese and the Government has handed over chunks of the power grid infrastructure to them and cinstruction of a Nuclear plant

    Virtually every one of our rail and infrastructure companies like water gas electricity etc are foreign owned.

    You can have all the optimism in the world that the UK will rise up again free from foreign interference but the reality is the fuckers have already sold everything to foreign interests thats not nailed down.

    The NHS education,emergency services police and council services will all be next to go. I dont see how thats making Britain great again,its just the great British sellout.

    Johnson was born in the US he was a US citizen,he renounced his British citizenship to avoid the Internal Revenue service pursuing him for tax owed to the US treasury...that should speak volumes about what he cares about.

  • The Aussies have already said they don't want free movement. They don't want a squalid lot of bloody lazy unskilled poms flooding the country, putting decent Aussies out of jobs by getting employed as chancers for half the pay....


    Sounds familiar, somehow.....?:reddevil: