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  • No! I'm very happily married, have a great family but I absolutely hate chrimble and all the hypocrisy that surrounds it. Everything bad that happened to me in the past, happened at chrimble so I may be biased. lol.

    I am was with you on hating Christmas. I’ve come to the conclusion, if you can’t beat them, join them. So from now on (until my little girl goes out clubbing) I’m going with the flow, path of least financial burden and mental hurdles. I’m embracing the inevitable. Christmas will come and pass. I WILL find loads of discounted reduced luxury food items in the too much for da consumers shelf at the supermarket. I will Try and try again to get pissed.

    But from here on in on this winter occasion and every chrimbo there on, I WILL use the time to look back over the year and celebrate just getting through it. I nearly died this year in a motor vehicle accident. Disabled but heaven don’t want me, and hell thinks I just take over. So I made it to another a Chrimbo. Something to celebrate after all. And while the world has hung out the bunting and draped the flickering lights. Fk it. I’m still here. Let’s celebrate.


    For all those single folk out there. You too are a survivor. Statistics show more couples fall out, breakup, separate or have a horrible time at Christmas. So although you may not have a longterm partner to hug during this period. Some of those who have partners must feel like they are sharing a tangerine with a Wasp and wish they were still single.

  • To be fair I havent always enjoyed Christmas for various personal reasons but I dont hate Christmas.

    I hate the nonsensical commercialisation of it. The expectation you must engage in this stupid spending fuckfest every year or guaranteed youll have a shit christmas.


    Being single, or old and single doesnt make my opinion of that any better or worse,ive always hated the commercialism and having the whole Christmas marketing shit rammed down everyones throat from September 1 right since i was pretty young and had loads of friends colleagues and family to consider.


    Its the greed and profit driven robots in retail and media marketing I resent and who i blame for pissing everyone off about Christmas.

    They manage to ensure everyone is hassled to death about the holiday period and spending everything theyve got,knowing full well that everything theyre conning folks to buy will be reduced to a tenth the price the day after Christmas day.


    They manage to make people who are poor or struggling on low income juggling 3 jobs or have no family,feel like theyre missing out or somehow inadequate that they cant afford a decent Christmas or buy the toys their kids expect or would like or wont be able to have any fun as theyll be all alone.


    Bollox.


    I wont be going anywhere for dinner but ill be having Christmas to myself,ive got a Christmas tree ( new wombled one),Ive got all my food in for the entire holidays via home delivery so no engaging in the shopping madness and parking nightmares.Ive got my gas so ill be warm and some booze and treats i bought to indulge myself. Ive no presents or cards to buy so I think ive got it pretty easy,a stress free Christmas...plus ive bought no m&S Christmas jumpers...phew!


    Yes ill possibly miss not seeing friends.Yes i will definitely miss not having family members or my dog or a partner to spend Christmas with. Yes ill get melancholy about it....but no more than i do any other day or time of year,but just like any other day of the year you get on with life and make the best of it and appreciate what you have got rather than what you dont have or whats missing.



    A couple of times in life ive come within a whisker of losing it and ive spent two Christmas's in hospital beds. Ive seen two colleagues go home for Christmas in rubber body bags. Ive been to no end of fatal accidents or people who have passed away days or hours before Christmas or actually on Christmas day knowing how much misery that will heap on those devastated families so yeah,i agree,we should perhaps be more thankful of what we DO have and not quite so resentful of what -when all is said and done -is a pretty insignificant irritation.


    In the words of the song 'the Christmas you get you deserve' make the best of it,if you dont like Christmas then don't make yourself overly miserable over it. It is what it is,its not Christmas that makes you miserable,its your attitude to it.

  • well said NT.


    Thank fook this has all been lots of rain. Can’t imagine how deep the snow would be by now if it had been colder. It would have shafted the Christmas shopping and deliveries for loads of folk (how would they all coupe then[panic]) if snow was 10 foot deep. :xsnowballKids would have their best Christmas ever I bet.

  • It seems that a lot of us single types have a great dislike of the C day , I've hated it since a teen when I wanted to be out with mates and not family, but does hating the C day become more extreme because we are single and maybe lonely?

    Most has been said on it but I dont think it's age, being singl etc that makes xmas worse, have always disliked it but more for moral and ethical reasons. And again this year, the looming jeezusfecking hell not again christday proves that the masses and the sheeple do not give a shit about major issues in the world when it comes to the big day. Everyone is aware of the issues regarding plastic yet the shelves and on line stores are loaded with plastic tat that is being bought by the tonnage. From what I see every year around xmas people dont give a shit about the consequences of being a mass consumer, the paper and cardboard that gets wasted is vast.


    I had to go and do my regular carefully planned food shop yesterday so I do not have to go out again until it's all over, I went early to miss the hoardes but the hoardes were out, the fucking awful shite music they were pumping out was painful, how the fuck do people call listening to such utter shite getting into the xmas spirit defies belief. Another thing on top of the crazy unfettered consumer fest is the way over the top food shopping folk engage in, its nothing but pure greed, how anyone can sit at a table groaning under the weight of the mass of food with more waiting stacked in the kitchen and sit there and stuff themselves stupid to the point of feeling ill while there is people starving with not a scrap of food seen for days on end and that goes for a lot of folk in this country who wont have seen a decent meal for a few days if not longer defies all notion of having a conscience, I see nothing but pure greed, and yesterday to top it off I saw a woman who must have been all of 20 stone if not more with an equally sized man engaged with 3 full size trolleys stacked to the brim with what they feel they need over xmas and most of it wasnt healthy food, made me feel sick, yet there are starving people with nothing. The way people engage fully in the consumerist festival of greed as that is what xmas has become goes against my grain big time hence the reason I hate it, then the waste that is created after it's over, xmas is an envrionmental toxic hazard that should come with warning labels Grrrrrrrrrrr.

    The hard part of the christmas bollox is I do not want to hear, see or smell anything christmas so the radio and the internet gets all but shut down, the only hope is radio4xtra for some un-xmas light listening, usually that station is pretty good as you dont get christmassed like radio 4, I'll be in my workshop for the duration getting on with work so hopefully the days will pass quickly to get it over and done with for another year.

  • I bang on abs classic rock or planet rock the ratio of wizard, maria,bloody noddy, or the like is quite low, you just get bruce springsteen with his shite version of santas coming to town but its but a on off buttin away rarer.


    Had a laugh with a lass ad the petrol pumps yesterday, wizard was on the radio, I said so do you wish it was Christmas everyday, she gave me a jaded retail look and a laughed, and said why not have x mass every 5 years or every other year, I thought that wasn't a bad idea.


    I will do what I do every year have a sense of denial about it, trying to tidy up Christmas eve shop on Monday or Christmas eve, try to get bills paid and sent out. then go up to my parents and get drawn into the usual ceremony this year its a cancellation year, ie brothers having his dinner at his spot so mum wont be to bothered to about it and we will probo be having salad and a pork pie or something and she wont be bothered about presants maybe leave them till bro comes up in new year or something.


    I ll probo help dad around farm dont mind that, feeding cows sheep, and messing about with the sheepdog, getting logs in then inside thaw out over a good fire, cup of coffee then the misery will start, ie the" low key Christmas", to be fair one year I buggerd off to my spot and did a chicken dinner all the trimmings etc.


    So this year low key Christmas, I know the drill then the headfuckery starts after Christmas maybe even new year when if our lad (the prodical one) and the perfect family comes up and it finally begins far to late when I just want to go back to work.


    Its far better if our lad comes on Christmas day, theres so much grub you cant move, everything lands in order, dinner leftovers, presents, and rest, this year is a fallow year I know the order nowadays like the ebb and flow of the tide im no longer tied to the family by work so in a way its fekking liberating.


    I should really do a dinner at mine invite the family over but I always have the same drill every year work goes nuts house ends up a tip mad rush to sort stuff out.


    There will be power and mind games a foot after Christmas day and akward silences, being generally ignored over everyone else, almost like everyones hearing seems to tune me out I often feel totally invisble, I once just buggered off home, got a phone call about two hours later, with an apology they haddent realised id gone home but sod em, I can go to the pub and see there jealousy as they have to be all miserable sat watching a crap film while there kids are off there nuts on sugar and chocolate.


    Christmas can be really weird, almost like I am totally invisible I kind of observe it like an out of body experience, hopefully dad might buy me a book like I buy him books and I can sit in a room reading.


    What I will do is ring lonely mates up see how they are, go see them check there ok, now started going to the pub Christmas day they give out a free pint open for one hour, the owner plays the piano has a singsong it lifts you up a bit I end up talking to customers of mine, make em laugh, feel good shake hands hugs.


    May one year i will go and help the homeless who knows I always think it would be rampent tokenism just to feel better for myself at Christmas I admire and bow down to those who do put themselves out for charity though.

  • I guess perfect Christmas tick list is, lots of mates, maybe succesfull, ie parties etc, partner, wife, kids, . I think possibly kids make it better, the total love of it all the innocence and wonder of father Christmas,


    being single bollockses that equation,

  • Most has been said on it but I dont think it's age, being singl etc that makes xmas worse, have always disliked it but more for moral and ethical reasons. And again this year, the looming jeezusfecking hell not again christday proves that the masses and the sheeple do not give a shit about major issues in the world when it comes to the big day. Everyone is aware of the issues regarding plastic yet the shelves and on line stores are loaded with plastic tat that is being bought by the tonnage. From what I see every year around xmas people dont give a shit about the consequences of being a mass consumer, the paper and cardboard that gets wasted is vast.


    I had to go and do my regular carefully planned food shop yesterday so I do not have to go out again until it's all over, I went early to miss the hoardes but the hoardes were out, the fucking awful shite music they were pumping out was painful, how the fuck do people call listening to such utter shite getting into the xmas spirit defies belief. Another thing on top of the crazy unfettered consumer fest is the way over the top food shopping folk engage in, its nothing but pure greed, how anyone can sit at a table groaning under the weight of the mass of food with more waiting stacked in the kitchen and sit there and stuff themselves stupid to the point of feeling ill while there is people starving with not a scrap of food seen for days on end and that goes for a lot of folk in this country who wont have seen a decent meal for a few days if not longer defies all notion of having a conscience, I see nothing but pure greed, and yesterday to top it off I saw a woman who must have been all of 20 stone if not more with an equally sized man engaged with 3 full size trolleys stacked to the brim with what they feel they need over xmas and most of it wasnt healthy food, made me feel sick, yet there are starving people with nothing. The way people engage fully in the consumerist festival of greed as that is what xmas has become goes against my grain big time hence the reason I hate it, then the waste that is created after it's over, xmas is an envrionmental toxic hazard that should come with warning labels Grrrrrrrrrrr.

    The hard part of the christmas bollox is I do not want to hear, see or smell anything christmas so the radio and the internet gets all but shut down, the only hope is radio4xtra for some un-xmas light listening, usually that station is pretty good as you dont get christmassed like radio 4, I'll be in my workshop for the duration getting on with work so hopefully the days will pass quickly to get it over and done with for another year.

    you don't like it much then?.........actually I agree with all you said!

  • It would be nice to be fair if we had to go to church weather we believe or dont, that way we all got out met each other in our towns and cities, then afterwards basicly a big party in village halls community centers any public buildings, everyone there from each community a meal of your choice drink or tee total, everyone sat at bench tables, regardless of creed , race, or socio eco.


    everyone did something, massive cookers heating, clearing up, setting out. this event would last from say 11 till what 3 in afternoon.


    Id go muttering and grumbling about turning out, but after a bit it would work, no tat just a hearty meal shared by all a festival of just lets be nice to each other behave dont get to drunk and help each other out.


    The people on tv could go ffkk themselves with ratings, along with all the others peddling there tat, music, and general rubbish.

  • Gee, that brings back memories of when I was a kid in a village on the Northants/Bucks border; we all had to go to church early in the day, but there was a big Christmas party at the village hall in the afternoon and everyone and his dog would turn out, and have a great meal together, all sat at benches and big old tables all the way down the room.


    You could sit where you liked, or where you could get in, if you arrived a bit late. If you were a kid you had to behave, because any adult was entitled to tell you off, not just your parents.


    After the meal the tables would vanish and the benches and chairs would be pushed back around the walls for 'musical chairs' and other games like 'pass the parcel', always a laugh. Then they'd finish with a sing-song around the piano, the whole hall shaking with the sound. Then we'd all spill out into the dark late afternoon, shouted goodbyes and merry christmases all along the streets.

    Usually this sort of do was held on Christmas Eve, or a Saturday or Sunday just before Christmas. Only a few rich folk had telly at the time, early nineteen-fifties, and it was more of a novelty than something to watch at all hours.

  • Sounds lovely, that really is what Christmas is all about, I can just remember Christmas parties in the village hall as a kid, it maybe occoured on xmas eve or earlier no sure, but it consisted of party food, everyone joining in young and old, games, of all sorts like getting dressed in as many clothes as possible running under a sheet or something, music chairs pass the parcel, lucky dip, tombola, and of course father Christmas coming in ringing a bell we all new who it was as a kid some old dodger dressed up as him, then a dance and the hokey cokey, we had a lot of old retired squadron types all a bit surreal when I think about it, like growing up in wartime or something.


    Again as a middle aged singleton I dont think id fit in at that party now though would I?


    Weird mix we had then old established families living around then, big families farming community, not that well off, but all working types, infact big families all over the villages council houses, rented places, etc, and the weird mix of old retired people, and yuppies just a few 2nd homes


    now that village is mostly second homes and retired people.

  • An enforced attendance at church for Christmas whether you believe or not is exactly why i have the attitude i do about Christmas and people behaving like fucking sheep.

    I had all that shit thrust on me as a kid. My family and the whole village were church orientated,if you didnt take part with enthusiasm you were cursed or ostracised and shunned by everyone.

    I gladly got out of that when i was thrown out just for being gay.

    Ive no wish to see folks pressured into engaging in socialising in the spirit of anything just for convention or a concept of community

    Thats no different to what happens already with the pressure folks are put under via media to engage in the spending fuckfest for Christmas.

    People can and should do what they want at Christmas,i certainly will be.

  • sorry mate sounds like you have had a tough life, esp if you came out into a religious family. I was also forced to go to church, the only thing is I once went to a carol service with my nephews about 5 years ago it moved me to tears somehow, had a lot of personal stuff going on with ex girlfiend, in my life somehow that place did help a bit. I dont really go to church either and find Christmas a bit tough but I like seeing my dad doing chores with him , and seeing mates that's it really all the rest is a bit of a ritual, dont know why but its the same ritual every year.

  • Best bit of Christmas for me is spending it with my children, seeing them open their pressies. We do go to church but nothing is enforced they have friends there and like to see them. The church we attend is more like a community centre and everyone is welcome. I then spend the rest of the day at my mums and help her to sort Christmas dinner, clean up etc. I'll be going up Christmas eve to help prep the veg , and ive finished my last shift tonight for a week. We don't really buy into the whole crap tat buying and the gifts the kids get are something they want or need.

  • Being 'forced' into going to church as a kid must have turned millions of people against it over the years; certainly it did me. But as a kid you don't really notice, because it is made out to be the 'normal' behaviour, and especially in a village in those days, as NRT says, there was great pressure on families to conform.


    Mine wasn't a religious family, it just tended to go along with what other folks did. If the local vicar called when my father was out, as he occasionally did, my father could later be heard asking my mother what was that fugging priest after?


    One winter Sunday my mate next door, Mike, invited me to his church instead. We were only about nine years old, as I recall. This was actually the Methodist chapel. It was nice and warm when you sang in the pews, and there wasn't so much kneeling and grovelling as in the village (C of E) church, and afterwards every kid got a big mug of cocoa made with milk, and stood by a blazing wood fire. It was like the promised land, and I went there for about six weeks, never saying a word to anyone else:whistle:.


    Eventually the fugging vicar called at our house and asked if I had been ill, and all that bullshit. Puzzled, my mother told him no, they had sent Keith to Sunday School as usual every Sunday afternoon. So little Keith got brought in, and after close questioning explained that he had indeed been going to Sunday school, but at a much better place, where it wasn't cold, and it was full of nice people who gave him a mug of cocoa and a warm at the fire before sending him home.....:D


    So after that I got sent to the miserable cold church again, and couldn't really understand why. But at least I never got clouted; my old man pissed himself laughing after the vicar had gone. He thought it mortal funny....

  • Gee, your radio suggestions will be given a wide birth by me, cheers for the thought but planet rock and similar is as low on my list as radio 1,2, and 3. On line psy trance radio's will be the airing choice for me. I fail to understand why people who are not practicing religious types and dont go to church but do christmas at home, If religious folk want to believe a load of old cobblers and make this time of year something special then thats up to them but why, if not religious do people get on the sheeple path with it all.

  • There is far too much hype and hypocrisy that comes with our interpretation of Christmas. We are all aware of the waste, greed, plastic and paper excess and the fact many folk are living hand to mouth, so can’t possibly compete fund a typical Christmas extravagance that’s now considered “normal” Yet folk do try.

    We all know it’s wrong and out of hand. Hopefully individually we can turn it around and influence those Around us and rekindle a less commercial event.

    Sharing a mince pie and ten minutes to catch up/reach out is more rewarding than a gift of tatt a person don’t need or want.


    I’ve never spent New Year’s Eve in Trafalgar or Watched the fireworks display on the Themes. But that shared experience is one for my bucket list.

  • I'm with Wiz on this Christmas shenanigans.....I reckon it brings far more misery than joy overall.


    I dislike it immensely.


    I was excluded from close family Christmas one year (for being a bit of a cunt 😉)... and learned to fully appreciate the dark force and undercurrents of christmas...


    It is no reason for celebration.... there is nothing to celebrate in Christmas.


    It is a fucked up shitfest of consumerist tosh that makes twee idiots of entire populations.


    It's kind of OK for those that experience a holiday or bonus or relief from servitude but otherwise serves to further enslave individuals who really don't deserve such societal abuse.

  • Religion played no part in our family or my upbringing. Never attended church other than a few weddings and funerals. I got kicked out of RE in the first year of comprehensive school for asking questions and that was fine by me and my parents.


    I did pray to god once (at a low comedown point in my life) when returning to my young family after a LSD holiday binge which terminated in Amsterdam. But that was very short lived, after discarding any shackles of guilt :insane:
    It really worries me to this day when world leaders talk openly of their different gods (and you lot think Christmas celebration is bad) These leaders have the power to turn most of the planet to dust, not just make someone look stupid in a themed jumper or put the whole family on a downer during a meal.

    Christmas isn’t compulsory unlike the TV licence. You can indulge in whichever side you wish or just switch off, unplug and live on. :whistle:

  • Yeah interesting point that. Ive had a lot of good christmases


    but because its a one occasion, that day that snippet of time of say three days or a two week period brings pressure on people they either crack, deal with it well or badly but if its bad you remember it anually, be it the same christmas music it conjures up a kind of ptsd i recon. and there is no escape, i find it easier not to listen to the radio in the van i mean christmas music on novemeber now ffs, and advertising in nov because i think its due to the amazon factor needing you to buy in november,


    The bad ones i remember are a few months after getting in with a bad lot and nearly getting the wrong side of the law, and getting shunned for it for quite a few christmases off the family,


    Getting smacked in the face (my own fault) one new years eve, granny coming up and hiding upstairs and granny wondering where i was and missing me, i was embarrsed and licked my wounds and hangover that day,


    Many christmas and yuletide breakups, either me finishing it or the lass finishing it,


    A particulary bad christmas about 7 years ago, i wont go into, it was a bad year some bad decisions, and an ex having a full mental breakdown.


    So yeah i find christmas a bit tough, i either hunker down hope it all blows over and fake my way through it, or i fully embrace it and am all cheerful.


    I always try my best not to spoil it for my nephews and nieces depending on my mood and family,


    I inevetebly look back god i try not to but i do the bullying at school and college, the rows with workmates i think possibly brought on by being bullied that made me a bully at the workplace.


    The rows with my parents. there once was a post on social it shows a broken mirror, something about not being able to fix a broken mirror. kinda fits.


    It kinda makes you melancolnic, rembering as a kid the happiness of this time then remembering the same music on harder christmases.


    I generally try to look forward but this time of year i guess is designed for everyone to take stock look back then look forward,


    Some of the past has been tough, hard, horrible, scary, but the recent past ie i guess the last four years have been better, in my life in work, i ve made new friends generally with customers, really good friends, i worked yesterday, fixed a boilers electrics or rather bodged fixed a leaky oil line, for a holiday cottage on a complex, fixed a consumer unit that was tripping out, fixed a leaky rad and fixed an aga that was smelling and had gone out all stuff i shouldnt really do but it all got fixed and everyone was safe, the family was so happy i felt good they sat me down for tea cooked by there quite attractive daughter, whos in her 30 s single but i know is very high maintainence, ie my wallet isnt big enough i recon. nice lass the parents want me to date her, i think its not a good move with work, and she s quite hard work. no offence i see good in a lot of people these days she has many good qualties but i know she likes an argument, with anyone i prefer being respectful wokring there good friends, its much simpler.


    for christmas and nothing else! i will just pinch a slogun "lets get it done"

  • Couldnt have put it better myself Zendaze, fucked up shitfest of consumerist tosh is so apt it should be on bill boards.

    Just why if folk who are not religious but get involved and do the full christmas beasts me, after all it is a religious thing, but turned consumer fest .


    There are people I know out there right now, any other day of the year will stand there and have a conversation along the lines of religion is a scourge on the earth with blood on it's hands, a load of old man made bollox and will agree with that, yet come christmas they are all in with it bells and whistles, a bit, nay a lot hypocritical, it's social conditioning at it's finest, and this is folk who profess to be free thinkers, alternative types, anti this and that, yet come christmas, they partake in all the consumerist bollox that any other week of the year they will be out on the streets with placards amongst the extinction rebeliion lot. I bet anyone a pile of cash, go pick an extinction rebellion protestor and go round their house right now, I bet it's full of stuff that in the summer they were out on the bridge protesting about. I see hypocracy.


    And yep Rogue Trader, christmas does nothing but add massivley to many wrongs in the world, every little bit helps bang the nail in further.

  • And yep Rogue Trader, christmas does nothing but add massivley to many wrongs in the world, every little bit helps bang the nail in further.

    And for 2000 years folk from around the world have embraced “their own” true meaning and ethos of their Christian faith. For some it’s been the only medicine available. Many have given or lost “their” lives in pursuit of “their” faith, they feel that strongly.

    They continue to celebrate the many fixed annual events, reinforcing belief by active participation In rituals.


    We have the freedom and a right to question motive, actions, impact and also to abstain. I don’t think we have a right to Judge.
    Christmas is popular for a reason, maybe it’s a numbers game.
    Most of the obscene greed and gluttony has materialised under our watch, initiated by our parents for our benefit. :xbounce:

  • I think we are getting mixed up here with religious observance and the human joy of participating in any festival.

    Just think a minute; if you went to South America and found some great celebration going on in the streets, that you knew very little about, what would you do? Hide in your hotel room until it was all over, or go out and enjoy the atmosphere, and enjoy the people, and even maybe even try to find out what they were celebrating?


    It's a gregarious human thing to want to take part in activities with other people, and these include celebrations, even if you don't always know what they are about.


    Sure, we all agree that the commercialisation of Christmas by capitalism is wrong, excessive, and morally indefensible. But if Christianity hadn't come along, and we were still Pagans, no doubt the Solstice celebration would also have become commercialised by now, given our capitalist history since pre-Victorian times. The capitalist system thrives by having a uneducated population of people brainwashed by advertising and the media into over-spending on every possible occasion for celebration. It's how the system -or one part of it - works. We here may be able to see through this, but most people do not, and go along on a collective binge.


    But not everyone who joins in the Yule or Christmas celebrations spends excessively on them, or buys trolley-loads of Christmas tat. Some spend the time helping other people worse off than themselves. Many use the festival as an occasion to visit friends, or take a quiet period of holiday from work. You don't have to listen to radio, or watch television, it's your choice.


    Sure, rant against the capitalist machine, and the masses who blindly follow it. But don't for one moment think that everyone, Christian or not, who celebrates Christmas or Yule falls into the same trap.