Is it possible to really disappear without a trace?

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  • Like completely vanish off the system -- yet still earn a living, still access health services when necessary -- and still be totally untraceable?


    I'm assuming that, even if someone manages the above, there's a time their National Insurance Number or need for a bank account will be very difficult to avoid. :/

  • Why would you want to do this? It would cause a great deal of stress to you friends and immediate family. You might be able to emigrate somewhere.

  • There is a way as people completely vanish from their old lives and untraceable by police or usual authoritarian tracing methods and go on to assume a completely different life either here ir abroad . Thousands have gone missing and never traced -mostly because they dont want to be found.


    Its more difficult here now with the amount of technology and digital footprints we leave around us in the UK and Europe or the US but not impossible. No passport or driving license,no devices,no bank or insurances and work for cash in hand and youre pretty much invisible to the system though to do it successfully really depends on how good you are at becoming invisible to people around you too.

  • It's very difficult nowadays to 'vanish'. Health care will be almost inaccessible and with the crack down on employers of illegal workers over the past decade, employers face stiff penalties if they don't ID their workers properly and get caught. If you lived on the streets and begged, you might manage it as you'd just become a faceless person no-one looked at. If you had the resources, you might be able to 'adopt' the nat ins number of someone who's died. I rather suspect, unless they're wanted for a crime, those who disappear without a trace, simply haven't been looked for hard enough.

  • Probably far easier for older people to 'vanish',folks who have never had a driving license or passport,not used health services or been part of the digital civilisation, dossed, squated never crossed paths with authority and worked for cash here and there.


    Youngsters are brought up digitised from birth and indoctrinated into and by the system. Once youre on it its difficult,if not impossible to erase your digital footprint....in fact theyre encouraged to share everything with everyone,jobs, photos,likes dislikes, political religious affiliations,events so theres enough information there to trace someone even if they subsequently decided to abandon technology and disappear.

    But thats why we have technology,phones,devices,internet,google,facebook etc etc...its not about making our lives easier or more fun its about control,we are all under surveillance by authority or corporates, like it or not and most of us voluntarily acquiesce to it.

  • I heard a story of a man somewhere in north America who went to a great deal of trouble to erase his digital footprint. Ho owned some land and one day he decided to apply for a bank loan. Even tough he had solid assets in the form of land and had no bad credit history, he could not get a bank loan.He would have been game not to have a mobile phone. Not having a phone usually lowers your credit rating

  • You would have to be totally off grid,totally self sufficient, use only cash but no bank account, no device use, and no use of police, NHS etc etc then possibly, UK probably the hardest country to disappear in,too small,too many nosey people :stoner::eek:

  • I used to see a lot of them, often illegal ones, when I worked on the markets. Some spoke pretty passable English, and worked long hours for a living. But they were all pretty well human really, when you got to know them.....:)

  • Off grid from the UK sure, just disappear abroad. Europe would be great until the UK leaves. Within the UK a little harder as the secret cameras will get you. Survive with no money, bin surfing. Land foraging. Etc. Fishing. Tent and no transport unless its a pushbike. Could be done. Life would be hard, but free.

  • To vanish without a trace would be difficult, especially in the UK. For a start you would have to get rid of phones, bank cards/accounts, your social media, e-mail accounts. You would probably still need some cash, but you then you would have to pay taxes making you traceable, unless you had a not so legal job that paid cash in hand. Healthcare would be problem as you would not be able to access Health services, unless you are some one who does not believe in modern medicine and thrives on old timey superstition about health.


    Even if you are self sufficient you would probably still have to do some trade with people for things you need, kind of like that 70s show, 'The Good life', so you would still be seen by people. Plus there are about three or four million CCTV cameras in the UK in which some now have facial recognition, so you would be seen anyway.


    Even if you went to Europe, you could still be found as information is shared by different government organisations. I think the best option would be Alien Abduction or Find a Doctor with a Tardis :flowerpower:

  • Well for all the nay sayers and the why would you want to do this sayers lol, you need to have a brain, be ingenious, a bit clever and able to look after yourself but it is do-able, I was totally untraceble and off grid / off line in the UK for ten years straight, in effect disappeared as disappeared can be on this island. Those ten years were spent horse drawn, just me, my wagon and horses. No owning land, didnt need a bank account, kept myself fit and healthy and I think I only went to A&E once as cut me thumb bad and didnt have to have any details only NHS number and nothing was flagged up, they sewed me up and sent me on my way, had no use for the internet and didnt have a mobile phone until later on when you could buy a cheap handset and a pay as you go sim off the shelf. Was self supportive doing seasonal work for cash and making crafts and selling on the side of the road amnd never signed on the dole. Best years of my life. didnt disappear from freinds etc, just the state and officialdom, was superb being my own entity and totally responsible without reliance on nanny state and not signed into any official contracts, loans, mortages, debt and the other crap that chains folk to the system.

    What I will say is when I did pop back up again, there was some head scratching from some sectors of officialdom, they couldnt fathom how someone could not have been heard of on any record for that long, in my mind, result, proud of that one. :D:D:D

  • Well for all the nay sayers and the why would you want to do this sayers lol, you need to have a brain, be ingenious, a bit clever and able to look after yourself but it is do-able, I was totally untraceble and off grid / off line in the UK for ten years straight, in effect disappeared as disappeared can be on this island. Those ten years were spent horse drawn, just me, my wagon and horses. No owning land, didnt need a bank account, kept myself fit and healthy and I think I only went to A&E once as cut me thumb bad and didnt have to have any details only NHS number and nothing was flagged up, they sewed me up and sent me on my way, had no use for the internet and didnt have a mobile phone until later on when you could buy a cheap handset and a pay as you go sim off the shelf. Was self supportive doing seasonal work for cash and making crafts and selling on the side of the road amnd never signed on the dole. Best years of my life. didnt disappear from freinds etc, just the state and officialdom, was superb being my own entity and totally responsible without reliance on nanny state and not signed into any official contracts, loans, mortages, debt and the other crap that chains folk to the system.
    :D:D:D

    Sounds idyllic. Some people go though life at such a fast pace they do not ever have time to stop and smell the roses.

  • Yep, I made sure i have time to smell the roses, dilly dally and wander willy nilly at my pace, my rulez, makes for a fulfilling rewarding existence and you dont have to sign any contract or dotted line to have a good life. The only contracts I am signed into is for mobile phone contract which includes the dongle thingy for the net and my van insurance. I woud find it incredibly easy to dissappear again and have arranged my current version of existence so that I can just bugger off at a drop of a hat if I choose to.

  • You don't even have to sign a contract for a mobile phone or dongle. I was with Giff-Gaff when I was in the UK.

    What I find intriguing is the number of people found dead each year who remain unidentified. While many of these people are racially Asian or African, many are Caucasian.

  • about 5 years ago, I Borrowed a lot of money, I went a bit bonkers, took out a £25k loan and maxed out my 4 credit cards. I spent the lot and I now owe around £46k. I have moved around a lot since and used to get a lot of mail to previous addresses from collection companies. I live in my van now and still have a couple of addresses for licence, bank account and the like. I never go to these addresses but the people living there send me a pic of any mail that arrives. All the debt letters stopped ages ago so no need to disappear just move around a lot if you need to and anyone chasing you will get bored.

  • about 5 years ago, I Borrowed a lot of money, I went a bit bonkers, took out a £25k loan and maxed out my 4 credit cards. I spent the lot and I now owe around £46k. I have moved around a lot since and used to get a lot of mail to previous addresses from collection companies. I live in my van now and still have a couple of addresses for licence, bank account and the like. I never go to these addresses but the people living there send me a pic of any mail that arrives. All the debt letters stopped ages ago so no need to disappear just move around a lot if you need to and anyone chasing you will get bored.

    Six years from your last contact with them and you can stand in front of them giving them the finger. They can't do shit.

    Wish more people would learn the system and fuck them.

  • yeah, statute barring, not sure that will ever work for me, if you have been hiding from your creditors, the judge may frown upon you and make the debt stand. It won't affect me, they'll never find me 🐸

    The only part a judge can play is to grant a ccj and it's surprising how many financial organisations don't bother. You have to check.

    I know this because I did same for a much bigger sum against more organisations.

    The ccj's time out six years from issue and although technically creditor can still pursue debt they're not going to invest in the further compulsory court costs to pursue it unless they have sight of any assets you have to make it worthwhile.

    Fear of the credit rating agencies is what has kept so many in shackles for decades.

  • The only part a judge can play is to grant a ccj and it's surprising how many financial organisations don't bother. You have to check.

    I know this because I did same for a much bigger sum against more organisations.

    The ccj's time out six years from issue and although technically creditor can still pursue debt they're not going to invest in the further compulsory court costs to pursue it unless they have sight of any assets you have to make it worthwhile.

    Fear of the credit rating agencies is what has kept so many in shackles for decades.

    Will it always appear on a credit score and therefore always be on file? Technology these days and 5G Debt Bounty Hunters of the future!


    There’s always a chance these ”Out of pocket” companies could one day pursue the debt. especially on the ones who failed to keep in touch about debt Repayments.


    Imagine 2025 selfemployed Debt Bounty Hunters are the new “capitalist” rage. Small independent companies/sole traders running round the UK, scanning vitals for any outstanding debts. You park your bus, knowing it’s just a quick stop to get fuel. You go to pay at the kiosk. ANPR already registers vehicle details. Card payment for fuel confirms ID. By the time your boot leather is back on the forecourt. Your live-in vehicle is in lockdown. Low loaded and on its way to a company compound. It’s a new world of shark bounty hunters out there. All scratching to make a living. Even though your live-in vehicle isn’t worth the full dept. It covers a good days work for dept scanners, debt spotters and bounty hunter recovery firm's/crew.


    Still there’s a chance nothing will happen, money will always be in abundance. No need to freak about negative stuff like that, after-all if the debt was only for 25k, how many vehicles would the bounty hunters have to confiscate over a lifetime to clear the debt, pay court, storage and agent, fees? There’s always bankruptcy.

  • An organisation that decides it is owed money by someone who doesn't have any will steal your stuff and sell it for tuppence just to make a point. It happened on this waterway a few years ago to someone I knew and has probably happened many times since. He had his boat taken because he couldn't afford the £5k salvage charged by the navigation authority when his boat was torched and scuppered after his engine was lifted while he was away for a couple of days. The authority advertised his boat on eBay for the full amount of the recovery, but accepted £2k. The owner got nothing and lost everything.