Traveller 'cleansing' gets the go ahead

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  • did you notice the bit about roma being deported after brexit ..mind you the way brexit is going there wont be any chance of that for a while..it did cross my mind this could be scare tactic maybe..what do you think ?

    To be honest it wouldnt surprise me in the least if they deport Roma.Theyre currently deporting folks who have lived and worked here for 20+ years and with extended family here not just back to Europe but back to Africa,Canada Australia South America etc so I doubt the fact theyre Roma (or Irish) will make any odds if theyve no ligitimate reason to be here ie work.

    Theresa May has a zero tolerance toward migrants since her home office days and she is on record as wanting Britain to be very unfriendly towards migrants who want to come here or stay.

    I doubt she will be PM long but whoever takes over from her is likely to be much worse.

    Some of it may be unpleasant scare tactics and rhetoric but the Tories have no worries about forcing people on the streets,forcing them to rely on foodbanks or starving to death people on benefits so i dont think theyll be too fussed about rounding up travellers and kicking them off the island.


    The Times is reporting today the government wants 10000 army personnel ready to mobilise post Brexit.What sort of message does that send? That a supposed democracy is mobilising the army because it knows how bad its going to get.


    Theyll step up the anti- traveller rhetoric like they did back in the 80's and 90's so everyone hates travellers and hippys and anyone who doesnt fit in.

    Back them a lot of NATs Hippy folks cleared off to Spain and Portugal but that wont likely be an option after Brexit.


    Not looking good.

  • if I were leading this government through Brexit. The first thing I would want at the ready is our military personnel. I don’t believe in leaving such a un-tapped resource of “paid for” servants sat in barracks, get them out on excercise. If they are dealing with civil-unrest that's different to them helping out any stretched public service.

    Trump has done the same and look at the workload they have achieved. A workload contractors would have charged over the top for in a emergency.

    Brexit is “All hands on deck time” if your not helping, your hindering.

  • The forces dont sit in barracks as unused servants waiting to be called on like a taxi service. Theyre deployed on training exercises,Nato or policing or humanitarian missions all over the globe. Personnel will have to be pulled off those duties to provide backup for Brexit.


    Neither will it be cheap.The whole reason UK army manpower numbers have been severely reduced to a bare bones 78,000 men is because of skyrocketing costs.


    It will cost the US a few million dollars to have moved 5k personnel and equipment to the border to string razor wire out.

    The last estimate i saw it will cost 30 billion dollars to fortify 2000 miles of mexican border.The only people who will benefit are the contractors to the Defense or Border service departments who always load the price because Government are paying.Same happens here.That means services elsewhere in welfare or NHS or government authorities will be cut further to pay for the cost incurred by the MOD.


    The armed services arent cheap labour and theyre not there to provide civilian services.

    If this government had half a fucking clue what it was doing regarding Brexit it would have spent the last 2.5 years meticulously planning,stocking and provisioning for it.

    Not expecting the army to bail it out of the shit because its failed to realise the complexity and magnitude of the problem or do anything useful to plan or prepare for Brexit until the last minute.

    And why should people feel they should pull together 'all hands on deck' bollox when 45 million Brits are going to get dragged through a hell they didnt want because 17 million gammins think theyre going to get their British Empire back.


    Definition of Brexit -give up your well paid job and burn your house down because some bloke told you youre winning the pools tomorrow.

    Keep taking the tablets.

  • They are still out on patrol. Yeh well we need em closer to home. I remember when they drove the green goddess fire engines.

    My mates lad spent 2 years in the army and was based in Wiltshire. He never visited another country. He ran around Salisbury Plain playing soldiers inbetween barrack duties.

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    And why should people feel they should pull together 'all hands on deck' bollox when 45 million Brits are going to get dragged through a hell they didnt want because 17 million gammins think theyre going to get their British Empire back.



    Keep taking the tablets.

    because the millions who voted for out would have “got on with it” pulled together, knucked down and lived to fight another day. if the vote had been to stay in the EU.

    There’s Too many know-it-all cowards shouting from the the cosy shadows of the ‘not going to vote any way’ doorways, now the scores settled.


    It’s not a pill these fkin loosing complainers need. It’s a fucking ongoing dose of suppositories intil Brexit Britain is great again and that may well never happen, but it’s better we remove the shit before it piles up anyway or cost us more on the nhs sorting out the constipated fks that are all doom and gloom, but still picking from the top of the pile without contributing to it’s building.

    :boing:

  • The very first thought that went through my head upon reading the headline 'traveller cleansing gets the go ahead' was "ah could do with a wash and my truck could do with some attention with a pressure washer" ------ joking aside, as if this is new news. Moving on folks over the county border so the next county has to deal with them has been going on for eons. The failure to provide legal stopping places/transit sites and giving planning on illegal sites only means one thing, people on the move. After all, nomadic lifestyle as they highlight in the reports ois just that, nomadic, but the authorities dont want that either. Us NAT's know what ethnic cleansing feels like as well as the gypsy community. Cant settle, cant travel, yep, big problem. One thing that gets my goat is if the minority who flytip, go on theiving sprees and generally cause havoc and leave a massive mess wherever they go cleaned their act up or were dealt with then that would help the needs of those who just want to get on in life, but no, one bad lot means the rest are tarred with a very big brush.

  • It's a tough one is this. Nobody should be persecuted for living their life however they choose. On the other hand to be fair, irish travellers don't seem to do their own cause any favours. Localised crime seems to follow wherever they go, & the state they leave sites in is un necessary. We all try to keep a low profile while on our travels, yet the irish travelling community don't generally seem to show any regard for the surrounding area or population. Just saying, if we all left piles of shit & broken gates etc everywhere we went, how long would it be before all travelling/ wild camping was outlawed? I know they aren't all like that,& their culture is different to ours but any group of people with that kind of image is going to come up against obstacles. Hope this doesn't make me sound anti gipsey cos I'm not. Just think that if you're going to show no consideration for the people around you it's inevitably gonna end in tears.

  • It's a tough one is this. Nobody should be persecuted for living their life however they choose. On the other hand to be fair, irish travellers don't seem to do their own cause any favours. Localised crime seems to follow wherever they go, & the state they leave sites in is un necessary. We all try to keep a low profile while on our travels, yet the irish travelling community don't generally seem to show any regard for the surrounding area or population. Just saying, if we all left piles of shit & broken gates etc everywhere we went, how long would it be before all travelling/ wild camping was outlawed? I know they aren't all like that,& their culture is different to ours but any group of people with that kind of image is going to come up against obstacles. Hope this doesn't make me sound anti gipsey cos I'm not. Just think that if you're going to show no consideration for the people around you it's inevitably gonna end in tears.

    no certainly does not make you sound anti, its bare bones fact, if there is any shit going down and piles of shit left everywhere and a trail of theiving where ever they go, then that sector is generally behind it. but as they, not that long ago, gained official minority status, to them that's like a licence to crack on regardless with little to no consequence to them but a massive consequence to non Irish travellers due to everyone else being tarred with the same brush.

  • no certainly does not make you sound anti, its bare bones fact, if there is any shit going down and piles of shit left everywhere and a trail of theiving where ever they go, then that sector is generally behind it. but as they, not that long ago, gained official minority status, to them that's like a licence to crack on regardless with little to no consequence to them but a massive consequence to non Irish travellers due to everyone else being tarred with the same brush.

    It's ironic that when we talk about our rights as travellers, we are told that all the laws & privelleges only apply to irish travellers/roma & not us, yet when they cause a negative reaction through their behaviour suddenly the bad publicity is aimed firmly at us all!

  • They are still out on patrol. Yeh well we need em closer to home. I remember when they drove the green goddess fire engines.

    My mates lad spent 2 years in the army and was based in Wiltshire. He never visited another country. He ran around Salisbury Plain playing soldiers inbetween barrack duties.

    I went to 7 different countries....he must have been very luck getting a job like that.

    What we need here is National Guard like the US separate from the regular Army units to provide security and logistics support.

    We should be doing what Israel does training everyone in self defence and self reliance.

    We should have some kind of national service with the option to undertake in either military or NHS welfare services or infrastructure building to give people paid work and something useful for the country,hopefully instill some sense of being a worthwhile citizen of a nation and not just a piece of shit with a number to be used and abused by tosspot companies like MacD Costa KFC Amazon etc.

    We need a properly staffed and funded police fire and ambulance service

    But most of all we need to take to task these tax dodging cunts like Amazon and Branson and multiple celebs so they pay what they owe and fund the services everyone needs and stop paying billions in corporate subsidies to the business sector who dont need subsidising.

    We might then have a country worth pulling together for instead of one full of self serving grifters and liars.

    Again that lack of Britishness or willingness of 'cowards' (thanks for that) to pull together is nothing to do with the EU,its down to this countries lieing political class and the neoliberal establishment thats milked the country to death and treated its citizens like scum.


    But most people prefer to respond to the media dogwhistle and blame all the brown people and anyone who speaks forrin for the mess.


    State of this!

    And you expect Brits to pull together for a bunch of cunts like these.

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  • I don’t agree with compulsory national service in any country. That can be a form of brain washing to some. Obviously if it was a personal choice to join, it would give many some much needed guidance.


    Those sat at the table will be replaced eventually, but a thick man with a agenda can be just as damaging if not dangerous, as the clever fk born with the spoon in the mouth.


    We need honest, passionate, considerate folk to represent the nation. We can live in hope. Even then there will be those who call them plebs or worse.

  • National Service doesnt have to compulsory nor in the services.I think both Selfservatives and Liebour and possibly LieDems too have proposed some form of National Service at some point.

    I dont believe compulsory military service is good or useful. It makes resentful carpet lickers dangerous.


    Its a hard task getting thoughtful intelligent politicians in the right places because British and American agenda politics has descended into populism,soundbites spins, lies and dogwhistle rhetoric.

    Always an eye on the ratings and polls.


    As Tony Benn once pointed out,Polls are not for measuring opinion theyre there to form and influence it.


    People with intelligence are sidelined ignored or ridiculed.

    Ive seen teenagers with more considered articulation and intelligence than most of the muppets in Westmonster.

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  • The hugely funny ironic thing to me is that the British public vote the muppets in power then they employ even more muppets to help them be muppets.

  • The hugely funny ironic thing to me is that the British public vote the muppets in power.

    Indeed...you know why? Because they listen to the agenda driven media,the soundbites and dogwhistle rhetoric of politians and media and have their minds made up for them because it fits their own narrow ignorant view of the world and because most of the electorate is too fucking lazy to research the facts for themselves.

    A simple illustration is islamophobia that infests the Tories and Anti-semitism that infests both Tory and Labour.

    No one mentions Tory islamophobia because Islam is the 'enemy' but the media finds any vague criticism levelled at Israel they and Tory politicians and Red Liebour are all over Corbyn like a rash as anti semitic and anti israel.


    The same dogwhistle rhetoric is directed at Scottish Nationalists and Sien Fien in Ireland...because this country has an exclusive one sided unionist agenda.


    The same dogwhistle rhetoric applies in America between Republican and Democrat voters and 'socialism' and ' anti-gun' or 'pro gun control' or 'islamic terrorism' and 'immigration' are the key triggers there.

    More people die in the US from domestic guns violence 20,000 a year and average 39000 gun related serious incidents and 99% of mass shootings resulting in death are carried out by white christian nutjobs but Islam is the threat...go figure.


    No one takes any time out to look at the issues or dig in to the truth or accept the facts, why? because theyre lazy and the answers they find are uncomfortable amd dont fit their preferred bigoted viewpoint or agenda.

    Its not even difficult to cross check facts these days,you dont have to go the library, thats what the fucking internet and search engines are for but no,too fucking difficult for most people.They cant even bother to use a search engine to find answers for van conversions,they come to UKH to have it all explained to them.


    People happily watch hundreds of hours of Tommy cunt Robinson and the pigswill he peddles-yes I've watched it too- and convince themselves the entire country is totally populated my moslems and we live by sharia law.They never look the other way at what others are doing deliberately to undermine the politics of this country like the Russians or Israelis.

    Theyre only interested in hearing the 'islamic immigrants' dogwhistle because a sizeable majority of white unionist English are either closet or very openly racist,anti-semitic,homophobic and generally all round xenophobic. Democracy is great so long as it only applies to and works for the white English.

    If you go on Youtube youll find similar vile bastards like Robinson in both NI and Glasgow screaming for the hanging of Catholics or Nationalists...not a single mention of islam.


    We get an electorate disatisfied with a warmongering liebour party so then vote in an extremist Tory administration to 'teach Liebour a lesson.

    We have record homelessness and poverty level all down to needless Tory austerity policy and still electorate blame Liebour because the media says so.


    Thats why we end up with numpties in parliament.

    The electorate get the politicians they deserve, not who they need.

  • Peoole happily watch hundreds of hours of Tommy cunt Robinson and the pigswill he peddles-yes I've watched it too- and convince themselves the ventire country is totally populated my moslems and we live by sharia law.They never look the other way at what others are doing deliberately to undermine the politics of this country like the Russians or Israelis.

    Theyre only interested in hearing the 'islamic immigrants' dogwhistle because a sizeable majority of white unionist English are either closet or verybopenly racist,anti-semitic,homophobic and generally all round xenophobic. Democracy is great so long as it only applies to and works for the white English.



    The stuff Tommy Robinson was campaigning about wasn’t about politics directly or our government. It was about lack of action by social services, the police and reluctant government intervention at the earliest opportunity and about those countries financing radical Islamic teachings in our schools, mosques, streets etc. It’s been about preventing further child abuse, hostility and hatred towards non Muslims in the UK


    Since his disgusting treatment by the police, the courts, government and a minority from the Muslim communities in the U.K. He now includes the media for the lies and spin, lack of free speech, and a corrupt government too fearful to address issues when alliances and business are intertwined.

    For this alone I will support Tommy Robinson.


    NT, its true some UK citizens believe a minority of Muslims (British citizens and other) residing here, wish to cause harm to fellow countrymen and would like to establish (enforce) and practice sharia law here, in our homes, in our schools and in our government. We have all heard this from the mouths of “some” extreme Islamist openly and covertly preaching here in the UK.

    That is fact. Just as there are nazi extremists, racists, anti-Semitic, homphobilc and xenophobic individuals or groups in the UK. These are not exclusive to white English unionists! Must be that fake/agenda driven media effect doing its rounds on you?

    The majority those who follow and hear the spoken word of Tommy Robinson know he is not anti Muslim, anti Jew or anti any race. He stands against a vile extreme Islamic practice outlawed in the UK and not the majority of peaceful, law abiding British Muslims (Unless you have proof of other?) You say you’ve listened to what Tommy is saying. Then why say otherwise?


    What the majority of those who support/follow the likes of Tommy think is, “they” do not want the extremist Islamic customs or sharia law getting a foothold, not now and not in our children’s children’s lifetimes and if we refrain from addressing it, if we stay silent longer, we end up with a similar situation to the rape cases.


    You speak of facts and google research. Show us some facts to back up your claims regarding Tommy Robinson’s racist acts.

    We chose our campaigns, our charities. We focus on that we feel strongly about and leave others to do the same. History is in the making and we all play a part.

  • On Tommy Robinson....


    It does seem fashionable to deride the guy but I've done a little research and watched a few vids and I really don't see how it is possible to judge the guy so harshly...


    For sure he is pushing forward some unpalatable issues but he is not creating issues.


    He is highlighting what can happen when positive discrimination is applied indiscriminately and he is being heavily discriminated against for his trouble.

  • I don’t agree with compulsory national service in any country. That can be a form of brain washing to some. Obviously if it was a personal choice to join, it would give many some much needed guidance

    I think that may be the problem, it is already a personal choice. Those who don't feel the need of much needed guidance don't apply.

    As for the boy taking his helmet off and praying, so fucking what! I bet even atheist soldiers have had a pray in the middle of battle.

    If there was bombs and bullets flying round my head I would be praying as well.


    I bet every single solider running up the beaches in Normandy prayed like fuck

  • I think that may be the problem, it is already a personal choice. Those who don't feel the need of much needed guidance don't apply.

    As for the boy taking his helmet off and praying, so fucking what! I bet even atheist soldiers have had a pray in the middle of battle.

    If there was bombs and bullets flying round my head I would be praying as well.


    I bet every single solider running up the beaches in Normandy prayed like fuck

    You wouldn’t catch me waiting for your sorry arse to pray, if I thought that the crosshairs were hovering around our shadows and you had your gun holstered, while you talked to your god with your mind off the mission. So what?? Just wait up boys while I check my lipi and eye shadow, wanna look mi best in their scopes.


    Christians have the benefit of being able to pray while running in any direction. Now I know why Im seeing more desert coloured knee pads on the carboot.

  • Most people join the military to serve their country in the 'defence'of their country.

    I think most people in or who have been in the military realise at some stage that theyre not serving their country for that purpose, theyre being used as canon fodder by their governments purely to support corporate objectives, mostly overseas.

    Afghanistan Iraq Syria Yemen non of those are about cruel regimes and regime change or even Islam,if they were, the first on the list would be Saudi Arabia,second Israel.

    Theyre about oil gas and mineral reserves and pipelines.


    Plenty of military folks realise that and what theyre doing is unjustly cruel and leave. like I did.


    Wont matter much soon anyway because for whatever reasons we'll all be fighting for our lives.

  • There is that too of course.Free training for a career skill and travel and fed for free especially when theres little job opportunity back home but not many expect to be in a war with people theyve no truck with thats clearly being advanc3d for the benefit of corporate greed and empire building.

    Nor are they expecting to be committing atrocities to further those ends. Britain is not better than the nazis,its just better at PR relations and propaganda.

  • Do you know, pan scrubs are getting more and more shit as time goes by, they fall apart after two washing up sessions and the scourer bit thats stuck on the sponge will barely take the coffee stains off the inside of a mug once its been used a couple of times.