Anyone getting out pre-Brexit?

  • Hi all


    I was wondering how many people are planning or considering to leave the UK and apply for European residency in the respective country before Brexit kicks in?


    I know it's a way off yet and we have no idea what will happen in terms of the rights of UK citizens to obtain residency in EU countries but with me and my partner unlikely to meet the criteria as it stands for non-EU residents to obtain residency (employment or serious savings, etc), we're hoping to get our foot in somewhere before it's possibly too late. I personally can't stand the thought of being trapped here - especially with the cost of land, the restrictive planning permission, more and more restrictions are being brought in in terms of living in vans/parking restrictions, and the Tories still in.


    But where to go..? We lived in Bulgaria for a while a few years ago which we surprisingly really liked - I don't know if I could see myself settling there "permanently" though in terms of buying a bit of land. Portugal still seems the cheapest place in Western Europe and handy that it's closer to the UK but having read a lot of red tape stuff, that's even looking like a potentially unrealistic option. I read something about you not being allowed to have a British car in Portugal for more than 6 months of the year so that's the camper out! I also read something about you not being able to stay in a temporary dwelling for more than 6 months on your own bought land unless the plot already has a habitation license - something which is highly unlikely if you're buying a cheap plot or agricultural land to be self sufficient.


    Just feeling a bit deflated with it all this morning (following a period of positivity and hope!) so if anyone has any stories of what they've done or what they're planning in terms of living more simply and sustainably outside of the UK without being tied to extortionate rents and mortgages, I'd love to hear!


    :hippy:

  • I live in France anyway, still not sure what I am doing long term, but the last thing I would ever want is to be trapped living in the UK for ever even though I like the place. At the moment I would like to keep both uk and European rights, but if I had to choose, Europe would win hands down. I loath the fact that my fellow countrymen seem so proud to destroy out of ignorance what I cherish the most out of experience. I doubt a single one of them would have voted leave had they ever experienced the Europe I know. They seem so proud of their stupidity. Like watching turkeys fighting each other to be the first to vote for Christmas.


    As to beurocracy (sp?), there is always a way round, you are not allowed a uk reg car in France for more than 6 months either, but within the border free Europe, they will never know exactly how long you have had the vehicle in the country, at a point you will appear on a coppers radar, but if you live a low key life like me, that can take ages, but reregistering a vehicle in the country you plan to live isn't any form of reason not to do something, people do it every day of every week. If you want to become an offficial resident to keep your rights, it isn't too much to ask that you obey local laws, register for tax and register your vehicle there too, it can be way cheaper than the uk. I have 3 vehicles and a bike on the road, my road tax bill? Nothing. My insurance? 700 euro a year with breakdown cover on all vehicles, MOT every 2 years, not 1.


    As to living on land without planning permission. Just do it for a few months at a time and roll on somewhere else if you turn up on the old bills radar.

  • Hopefully doors will open with CANZUK for those not tied to a stone structure, families, friends or occupation. It's only a number of years before we get a Socialist Government here again in the UK. Statements like human rights. Travelers rights. Social housing. Micro eco homes, free education. These are not only things to hope for but to build for.
    We may be priced out of the 5 acres per head homestead. We are Governed by endless rules and red tape, but here in the UK we will have certainties. Europe comes with many restrictions yet to be imposed, applied and charged for. The days of UK ex-pats avoiding Tax contributions on earnings and capital whist residing in Spain and Portugal have ended. Europe will go the way of the Capitalst world and depend on solid contribution, instead of a refuge on a shoe string.


    I would hang on the any UK citizenship. In the future if you can stay below radar long enough. You will do well to sell to the highest bidder, your U.K. Citizenship along with your fingerprints, your DNA and your past. What you don't yet value is another mans dream.

  • Pretty much all expats pay tax on property and income, either in the uk or in their country of residence. Never met one who didn't and it would be pretty much impossible not to within European laws, What we do have with the EU is no double taxation rules, it isn't a tax haven. We all pay our way.


    Pretty good example of I mean about people voting leave out of ignorance.


    Besides, since when did hippies and start worrying about other people paying tax?

  • Pretty much all expats pay tax on property and income, either in the uk or in their country of residence. Never met one who didn't and it would be pretty much impossible not to within European laws, What we do have with the EU is no double taxation rules, it isn't a tax haven. We all pay our way.


    Pretty good example of I mean about people voting leave out of ignorance.


    Besides, since when did hippies and start worrying about other people paying tax?

    when hippies, their family or friends have to pay tax!
    It is now your right. My mother has been living in Spain now for well over 10 years. During that time. We have met many who on paper live in the UK or U.K and Spain or Spain. Not many of them declared there income to the Spainish or British Government and relied on it as their little bit of spending money. Neither declaring earnings (cash in hand) work in Spain or rental income from second homes back in the Uk. Inc pensions, shares or other incomes. When law changed and was implimented, many found that they could no longer avoid declaring income and inevitably paid tax in ALL incomes whist residing in Spain. Their little nest egg back in the UK suddenly lost a percentage of its value to them.

  • I do not think i could stand living in Spain, too many British people to put up with. Croatia looks pretty nice, maybe I live there.


    Depends where you go in Spain, if you fancy Mijas or Benidorm, there will be lots of Brits, elsewhere in Spain, even on the coast, such as Cadaques or Figueras you might spot one every few weeks if you are unlucky. It isn't all like "bargain loving Brits in the sun" or whatever tv show you get your ideas from, Same in Croatia, i know there are brit enclaves there too if you seek them out. I spent some months working on a house in Ibiza, tiny island, full of forigners, all the Brits stayed in a small area and the rest of the island was left alone. I had a beach to myself most of the time 10 minutes from San Antonio, where it was standing room only sunburned drunks.

  • Im planning on spending the next 2 years or more in Portugal.


    If need be I would apply to be a Portuguese residence before Brexit, the Irish Hereditary Passport route is also open to me ( Irish grandparent )


    As it happens ive been working on my place out there and returning to the uk for bits and bobs of work to fund it, im about done .
    So was planning on living there permanently in a few months anyway.


    I am not too worried about the Brexit business for a number of reasons. I think that citizens rights will remain more or less the same , perhaps they might improve during Brexit negotiations, it is as important to Portugal/Europe/UK as it is to me.


    Also I suspect that in the transition period will be 10+ years, it seems impractical to implement otherwise. Even if not much changes.


    The cost of property in Portugal is a cheap. Laws and things can change anywhere. It is European, so its laws are pretty much equal to our own ( at least currently ) .

  • Croatia and Montenegro look amazing! Saying that, there are some parts of inland Spain that look stunning and haven't been overtaken by hoards of tourists - I've not been to Spain since I was 11 which was 25 years ago and the fam always went to the usual coastal haunts.


    We never really encountered any Brits in Bulgaria (or many obvious tourists at all) except when we accidentally got on the wrong bus on the way to Balchik and ended up in Sunny Beach! Needless to say, it was an experience...


    I think we'll just go ahead with our same plans - quit my job next year and head for Europe, hopefully finding somewhere to get residency before Brexit (but keeping UK citizenship), and just remind myself that life is uncertain.


    I didn't realise that about the car registration thing in France as well. I wouldn't normally let that deter me as would just by a local vehicle cheaply - it was more that our vehicle would technically be our home as well (the camper van) so I wouldn't want it to be stuck somewhere because we weren't legal to drive it after the 6 months...but then who knows, it might not even make it past Spain's roads! :D

  • I'm a bit confused about what to do at the mo' I can't bear the thought of the Torys for another 5 years, I grind my teeth when I hear May's voice, and I still can't believe Brexit is going to happen (wishful thinking) I have an application form for an Irish passport but will it be any use to me as my missus can't get one?
    I just had a suggestion about work in Luxembourg but what about my elderly parents when they need assistance? what about my daughters? one has a child and is now pregnant again, the other lives with us and is at university, she couldn't afford to live as she does now lol, pretty sure she'll be off though as soon as her studies are over, she can see there is fuck all for her around here and she wants to travel the globe.

  • Won't be long before brexiters start moaning they cannot get cheap holidays in Europe anymore, karma is great sometimes :D


    It's almost like some folk are wishing doom and gloom on their British brothers and sisters. Is your life so dull and rubbish that you can only get off on hoping for misery of others? Why not try to see good in the hope, struggles, fights and development of our nation. The I told you so T shirts, were made for those who sat at home finger up their arse and their mind in neutral.

  • I'm a bit confused about what to do at the mo' I can't bear the thought of the Torys for another 5 years, I grind my teeth when I hear May's voice, and I still can't believe Brexit is going to happen (wishful thinking) I have an application form for an Irish passport but will it be any use to me as my missus can't get one?
    I just had a suggestion about work in Luxembourg but what about my elderly parents when they need assistance? what about my daughters? one has a child and is now pregnant again, the other lives with us and is at university, she couldn't afford to live as she does now lol, pretty sure she'll be off though as soon as her studies are over, she can see there is fuck all for her around here and she wants to travel the globe.


    Hopefully citizens rights will be made clear fairly quickly and we get all get on with doing the needfull :D

  • Sometimes I help our local estate agent out, nothing major just doing a couple of emails for the expat clients when the only English speaking partner is away on holls. They are swamped with Brits out here at the moment looking to buy or rent and are putting it down to Brexit.

    Years may wrinkle the skin, but to give up on your dreams and ideals, wrinkles the soul.

  • I'm a bit confused about what to do at the mo' I can't bear the thought of the Torys for another 5 years, I grind my teeth when I hear May's voice, and I still can't believe Brexit is going to happen (wishful thinking) I have an application form for an Irish passport but will it be any use to me as my missus can't get one?
    I just had a suggestion about work in Luxembourg but what about my elderly parents when they need assistance? what about my daughters? one has a child and is now pregnant again, the other lives with us and is at university, she couldn't afford to live as she does now lol, pretty sure she'll be off though as soon as her studies are over, she can see there is fuck all for her around here and she wants to travel the globe.


    Family back in the Uk is probably the most common reason for people to go back to the UK, usually grandkids, as childcare is so expensive and people need two incomes to afford a house, so grandparents get roped in.


    Elderly parents, I know care homes and medical care here are way cheaper and much nicer than in the UK, we still have a social care system thankfully.


    But also keep in mind flights are silly cheap, so you are not stuck, a friend recently flew one way from perigeaux to Glasgow, next day booking, cost less than a tenner including airport fees. A couple I know book 15 flights at the beginning of the season from Bergerac to Bristol, 30 quid a flight return. An easy 2.5 hours door to door. Uk foodstuffs cost 15% of the value for delivery to France, quite a few companies do it, some even with freezer vans.


    Via Facebook and the like it is also fairly easy to find car shares and space in a van for goods and stuff. Once you come out to Europe it doesn't suddenly mean you are suddenly cut off from the UK.

  • I just joined to answer this. So first things first... hello!


    Am I getting out? Short answer, yes...maybe...no...er...help?


    So I was planning on quitting the UK for France and started putting my plan into action just before the referendum. Sold the house, cleared the mortgage, put what stuff I didn't dispose of into storage. Gathered up the left over cash and my savings ready to go buy my little slice of French life and then... Brexit.


    So I spent months dithering, trying to decide what to do. In the end, I carried on. I felt sure that some kind of deal would be done, people would be safe where they were living. So, I found a house, made an offer. By the time I got to that point what happened, this thrice cursed election.


    Now I'm watching May play at being PM and all my confidence has drained away, I don't know what will happen to brits abroad, I fear that any rights of residence will be lost. My estate agent is pestering me to sign papers and I'm sat here paralysed with indecision. I can't afford to get this wrong. But no one in power is giving any clues what they are aiming for and even if they were I have no confidence in their ability to deliver a deal. The whole thing will be over in less than 2 years, enough time to get residence, but not enough to get permanent residence, which might actually be enough to save someone if the no-deal option falls through.


    This was going to be my way out, my path to an end of the mortgage, debts and the soul destroying daily drudgery needed just to keep a roof over my head. Now its a nightmare.

  • I cannot tell you what to do Mr Dinosaur, but try not let fear overcome optimism for your future. Carry on with your plans and accept that you will be able to adapt to any changes Brexit will cause.


    Because that is what most expats in France are doing now, including myself, we are worried about what will happen, we hate that our citizens and politicians put us in this position for no sensible reason, but one thing I have learned in life, the thing you spend the most time worrying over usually works out fine in the end, it is the things you didn't worry or think about that change your life the most.


    Home ownership in France is covered by non European related treaties and is protected, France is the largest tourist destination in the world with Brits the most common, some parts of the country, mostly rural areas would be economically devastated if Brits left. I don't see Macron risking that.


    What I would suggest is if you come, don't waste time like people used to do pre Brexit, establish yourself officially and integrate yourself as fast as you can. Learn french, register for income tax here, prove you can support yourself. Start a business or get a job.


    The worst that will probably happen is an eventual end to the reciprocal health care deal, and that means the extra cost of health insurance. The main benefit of the EU has been simplifying and making easier living life in France, things may get more complicated again, small things like being allowed to keep your UK licence with the extra catergories the french licences don't have, or being allowed to pay uk income tax on Uk earnings despite being french resident, but again, French income tax is generally a tiny bit lower anyway.