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  • I don't feel confident that my vote for Jeremy Corby will be a vote for his ideals. It would however be a vote for the Labour Party. Unfortunately the Labour Party isn't just Jeremy Corbyn.
    I fear that should they win the election, this Country will be endlessly waiting for the infighting and internal power struggles to stop, long enough for Labour to actually do some of the great things proposed. I just don't have that confidence in the majority of the Labour Party being a unified active party. I hope Im proved wrong for all the manytimes Ive voted for them before.


    I havent a bad word to say about Jeremy Corbyn and I firmly believe he does care about everyone, where others in the Labour Party seem to care more about a political career to me.


    I agree with you completely, the labour party to me seems to me to be a split between air head idealists who are stuck in a sort of Student Union never never land and hard line Communists trying to hide their true colours.


    The truth is nice guys wont cut it in the snake pit of real politics, its not like that. Now we have one over riding imperitive - Brexit and like it or not, Theresa May is the only party leader likely to have the strength of personality to go toe to toe with the likes of Junker.

  • Yes but the point is labour have a chance of actually winning... ukip don't.
    As for JC being stuck in the past I cant see why you would feel that way, I personally think he has very modern and progressive policies.


    Jeremy Corbyn is absolutely bone idle, he was my MP for years. He turns up late for meeting if he turns up at all. Arrives unprepared, hasn't read the notes, doesn't listen, very nice to chat to in the bar afterwards. How he ever got elected leader is beyond a mystery to me.


    Ed Milliband lives very close by, very smug, unbearably arrogant and patronising, glad we got rid of him.


    If Labour had a leader worth having they would be a force to be reckoned with but until that day arrives..........



  • Nigel Farage is up for it and he would be good too, but the rest of UKIP are not people of his calibre.

  • Jeremy Corbyn is absolutely bone idle, he was my MP for years. He turns up late for meeting if he turns up at all. Arrives unprepared, hasn't read the notes, doesn't listen, very nice to chat to in the bar afterwards. How he ever got elected leader is beyond a mystery to me.


    Ed Milliband lives very close by, very smug, unbearably arrogant and patronising, glad we got rid of him.


    If Labour had a leader worth having they would be a force to be reckoned with but until that day arrives..........


    You are Tory Boy and I claim my £5


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oQ_tbf6j2A

  • Jeremy Corbyn is absolutely bone idle, he was my MP for years. He turns up late for meeting if he turns up at all. Arrives unprepared, hasn't read the notes, doesn't listen,


    Bernie, were you absolutely bone idle? You didn't watch Theresa May fall through the floor as the audience laughed last night? You had to throw away every newspaper but 'The Sun' (the only one prepared to lie about her shoddy performance and Corbyn's statesmanship)? You didn't read how even Farage found Corbyn to be totally sincere and Paxmann failed to score against him?
    You can't have read the notes or listened.:whistle:


    How could anyone think May capable of negotiating Brexit when she has to hide from the general public and flounders when faced with prolonged criticism? She would be a gross liability.

  • You are Tory Boy and I claim my £5


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oQ_tbf6j2A


    Yes I will vote Conservative at the next election, so, I know, will a lot of my friends who were formerly Labour supporters. Your £5 is safe.
    I am very much a working class person, I come from a working class background. My father was a plumber and my grandfather was a bricklayer. I worked most of my life in industry, and was active in Union matters, ending up as a senior shop steward.


    Why is it I am disillusioned with Labour? because I have seen it from the inside, that's why.

  • Bernie, were you absolutely bone idle? You didn't watch Theresa May fall through the floor as the audience laughed last night? You had to throw away every newspaper but 'The Sun' (the only one prepared to lie about her shoddy performance and Corbyn's statesmanship)? You didn't read how even Farage found Corbyn to be totally sincere and Paxmann failed to score against him?
    You can't have read the notes or listened.:whistle:


    How could anyone think May capable of negotiating Brexit when she has to hide from the general public and flounders when faced with prolonged criticism? She would be a gross liability.


    I wasn't anywhere to be able to watch TV as I was working at Bisley on the ranges all weekend but I was listening to it all on the radio driving back this morning. The view was neither did particularly well, TM was wooden and JC was weak and evasive. As on other BBC programmes in the past the belief was put forward that the audience was rigged. Booing and heckling every time TM spoke and cheering every time JC spoke.


    I have never met TM and never likely to. JC I have met or at least been in the same room as about a dozen times, a nice enough man but not Prime Minister material

  • Do you get a brown shirt included with your UKIP vote?


    I never understand how anyone that doesn't earn a lot of money buys in to the Tory lies, who are they serving other than the wealthy?

  • Do you get a brown shirt included with your UKIP vote?


    I never understand how anyone that doesn't earn a lot of money buys in to the Tory lies, who are they serving other than the wealthy?


    I didn`t know / understand what a "brown shirt" was in reference to? so i googled it,


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung


    that`s nice coming from a moderator.
    :(


    Looks like i will be either spoiling my paper or voting for the Greens then (still undecided really).


    I watched Nuttall interview by Andrew Niel and TBH he is way too right wing,indeed a bit of a nutcase.

  • How he ever got elected leader is beyond a mystery to me.


    He was voted for leader twice by common labour members in a democratic vote. It was 'the will of the people', as brexiters like to preach when it suits them. Was Theresa May elected by the common Conservative membership to be Prime minister?

  • He was voted for leader twice by common labour members in a democratic vote. It was 'the will of the people', as brexiters like to preach when it suits them. Was Theresa May elected by the common Conservative membership to be Prime minister?


    That's very true but it doesn't change the fact that he is (in my opinion) a bone idle plonker, I don't like her (TM) much either


    He proved it so spectacularly again today, went to an Interview on childcare on radio 4 and hadn't even read up the simplest, and most basic, figures in his own manifesto. resulting in embarrassing silences. Would anybody who actually gives a f**k want to go on National radio and humiliate themselves like that?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svqpPHDaSaU


    I'm not trying to score political points, he really is that useless, he is really is bone idle, and he really is a plonker. That's not going to change. I have known him as my MP for twenty years. Trying to present him as some sort of socialist breath of fresh air is just weird. He is soooooo not that.


    Talk about the life of Brian "He's not the Messiah, he's just a very naughty boy"

  • Despite certain moderators of this forum trying to tag me as something i`m not,after watching as much as i can with limited data,i`m looking at voting UKip again,
    this is important,please watch,


    on you tube,


    [FONT=&quot]What Canadians think of Nigel Farage and UKIP[/FONT]


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei9TM9JMQt8


    I will not be voting for the Cons,the Libs or Labor,i will be voting for either UKiP,The Greens or non of the above (spoiling my ballot paper)


  • If you want to vote for a fascist nutcase , you might as well vote conservative , than rather waste your vote on a non starter:vomit:


  • Why would you vote for either UKIP or a party that is pretty much the complete opposite of UKIP? :shock:

  • I shall also be voting Green, no labour party or lib dem candidates here, as I live in an untouchable seat ( House speaker John Bercow)

  • I am a greenie, but will be voting Labour to try and get rid of the Tories.


    I'm of the opinion that all this promotion of tactical voting will backfire. The idea of rigging party selection for the better cause, rarely delivers on promises. Leaving many more disappointed for the following four years.


    Coalition stumps growth, derails progress and delays development. And that's when it's at it's best. A quango representative bunch arguing over government direction, is the last thing we need to face off Europe.


    i suggest following our hearts. Vote or not.

  • I'm of the opinion that all this promotion of tactical voting will backfire. The idea of rigging party selection for the better cause, rarely delivers on promises. Leaving many more disappointed for the following four years.


    Coalition stumps growth, derails progress and delays development. And that's when it's at it's best. A quango representative bunch arguing over government direction, is the last thing we need to face off Europe.


    i suggest following our hearts. Vote or not.


    Voting Green in my constituency is a wasted vote , same as not voting . Voting Labour increases the Tories being ousted.In my humble opinion anything is better than Tories. They are self serving , and will finish off whats left of the NHS, and fast track fracking.They do not give a shit about the enviroment, so even though I am a greenie, I am voting with my heart. After what Margret Thatcher did to my family and way of life the tory party makes me feel physicaly sick:S

  • Voting Green in my constituency is a wasted vote , same as not voting . Voting Labour increases the Tories being ousted.In my humble opinion anything is better than Tories. They are self serving , and will finish off whats left of the NHS, and fast track fracking.They do not give a shit about the enviroment, so even though I am a greenie, I am voting with my heart. After what Margret Thatcher did to my family and way of life the tory party makes me feel physicaly sick:S


    I understand why people are voting for one or the other, instead of how they 'truly' would wish to vote. There's many 'green' voters who are voting Tory on grounds they feel Labour won't make the right government for their Country. It's all 'tactical'. We are going to see almost 1/3rd of the electorate vote jostling to keep one party out instead of one party in.


    Labour will do exactly what they did last time. Except this time they will be spending every penny raised from tax payers and signing us up to pay interest on new loans we can never repay in our lifetime. There will be no coming back from that debt. Leaving a legacy of failed projects and promises. Look to the future and the NHS will not be the only crisis. It will reach every aspect of life and each and everyoneoif us will be paying it off until our grandkids run with the bill.


    yet I still have to vote Labour out of stubborn principles and blind faith.

  • So much myth and misinformation in that post ^^^^^


    Let's see what Ha Joon Chang has to say - in case you don't know who he is:

    Ha-Joon Chang
    (Hangul: 장하준; Hanja: 張夏准; born 7 October 1963) is a South Korean institutional economist specialising in development economics. Currently a reader in the Political Economy of Development at the University of Cambridge, Chang is the author of several widely discussed policy books, most notably Kicking Away the Ladder: Development Strategy in Historical Perspective (2002).[3][4][5] In 2013 Prospectmagazine ranked Chang as one of the top 20 World Thinkers.[6]He has served as a consultant to the World Bank, the Asian Development Bank, the European Investment Bank, as well as to Oxfam[7] and various United Nations agencies.[8] He is also a fellow at the Center for Economic and Policy Research[9] in Washington, D.C. In addition, Chang serves on the advisory board of Academics Stand Against Poverty (ASAP).
    Chang is also known for being an important academic influence on the economist Rafael Correa, currently President of Ecuador.[10][11][12]



    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/01/myths-money-british-voters-economy-britain-welfare

  • So much myth and misinformation in that post ^^^^^


    GeeWizz grumble. You must feel Confident to call me out on myth and misinformation > mr Chang points out = SOME deficit spending MAY be good, - necessary even.


    Thats assuming we arent holding on for the helter-skelter ride of our none EU life's. The unknown is upon us and a reckless un-unified Labour Party are hoping to spend our way to prosperity. Tax the richest! Well, really everyone over the means tested benefit limits.
    If you really believe the whole of the Labour Party are behind Jeremy Corbyn and that solidarity will pursue. Your going to meet many more mr Chang's because this Country will be sold out to the Chinese and every thing will be manufactured using chopsticks instead of spanners.


    What I do know is the track record of Labour and thats not a myth or misinformation. Failed projects. Money wasted on rush to spend regeneration funding. Not myth grumble. Fact. We all watched as the money was leached out of government coffers by labour policy makers and field spending drones.

  • Modern Economic theory actually supports the idea of running a deficit because in the long run it can be supported by foreign investment. The Tories follow traditional policy which is to just decrease spending, even if it causes people to suffer. As for the welfare state, I think the cuts on welfare are just the Tories strategy of paying for the cuts in corporation tax.


    Lets go back in time to 1950s America, corporations and rich people paid high taxes then, and as a result America built huge infrastructure, people had good incomes, good jobs, good health insurance, the country went through its golden age. Move the clock forward in US history and you get corporation tax reduced, tax cuts for the wealthy, cuts in welfare etc, and the country is struggling, people are becoming bankrupt from hospital debts, people on minimum wage can not support themselves, massive inequalities, people living below the breadline.


    The Tories are following the same pattern, Thatcher started it when she became Regans buddy, cuts in corporation tax, rich getting richer, poor getting poorer, we have people living below the breadline, people having to go to food banks, rising inequalities. The money in this country is in the wrong hands and needs redistributing for a fairer country. Do I trust the Tories with this countries money, do I f**k.


    The selfservatives, stability for the rich and feck all for everybody else, every now and then they like to chuck us down a few crumbs as if we are a dog under a table, a few crumbs to keep us from asking questions. :wall:

  • Why would you vote for either UKIP or a party that is pretty much the complete opposite of UKIP? :shock:


    IMHO,people need to take a good long look at their social conditioning,i don`t buy what the MSM carps on about,i don`t think UKip are totally right wing,they are not all racists,bigots and/or fascists or any other label thrown at them,they are not Conservatives either.


    Why do we need loads of people coming from other countries to work here? why not spend on educating our own youth to fill those jobs? i`ll tell you why,it`s because the powers that be/corporations and government services can pay imported workers less,this kills our home economy(oooo,steady now,that`s a tad controversial),UKip seem to be the only party asking these questions and offering possible solutions,it`s too much of a hot potato for the others.

  • Hear .....hear.....


    Come on UK hippies, what's with all the fervour and fever......far as I can tell .....brexiteers here are Corbyn supporters and Corbyn does not favour brexit....


    Nanu.....nanu....



    I don't see any political party suggesting a realistic minimum wage nor land rights/ and or benefits for UK citizens who find themselves without economic opportunity......


    Again......WTF is going on??????