Do You Think We Live Multiple Lives?

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  • I think about this a lot and I'm curious as to other people's views and perhaps even experiences with regard to this?


    I've always struggled with the concept of karma but I think that might be because I'm not sure I really understand it? Sometimes I think dividing things up into good or bad is a bit simplistic. Sometimes something good comes out of something 'bad', sometimes I've been in a situation that I thought was good but it turned out to be bad, sometimes something's happened that I've felt was bad at the time but looking back I can see it set me on a different path (and one that I feel is better). So I've struggled with understanding karma in the sense of people attracting bad things or something negative because they've done something 'bad'; kind of like a payback system? Also because I know people who've done lots of bad things and don't seem to have suffered at all because of it (quite the opposite) and equally I know people who do a lot of good but seem to have a lot of bad luck.


    Anyway, that's what gets me thinking about multiple lives, whether there's some sort of balance book so you come into this life to learn lessons and put right the wrongs of your past, whether you can kind of store up points for a future life that will be better than this one. I look at different people's situations - people fleeing war zones or genocide compared to people who aren't, and there's no personal contribution to that situation, they just happen to have been born in that place and didn't have any say or part in the way their country in general is functioning.


    I wonder whether there's a 'meaning' or if we're all just wandering about trying to find a point to it all.


    I've had some quite strong experiences when doing 'past life' meditation but obviously I have no way of knowing whether I really have lived before or if I just have a vivid imagination (or was remembering something I've read in a book at some point). If we've lived multiple lives I wonder why some of us aren't a bit more clued up, lol. I do feel dissatisfied a lot of the time but whether that's because I've got some past experience that makes me feel there's more to life than I currently experience or if I'm just bored I don't know.


    Anyway - not quite sure why this was on my mind this morning but I'd just be interested to know what other people think about it all :)

  • I don't dismiss it, we hear of some many people who say they were a Roman Soldier or a Serving maid in a previous life that there may be something to it.

  • Wow such profundity on a Sunday morning, it's a big question.


    I strongly believe that we are spiritual beings, what we may think of as our soul, is that spiritual being.
    Our souls are ancient, many thousands of years old.
    We have each lived many previous lives, not all as humans but perhaps other life forms.
    Our soul pre-determines what lessons we want to learn and experience we want to enjoy during each period of physical life, whether it be good or bad.
    We are here in our current form to learn, to understand, to experience.
    Whatever happens in your current life is what your soul wanted to happen, good or bad, it's a learning thing.
    We are also here to experience the physical aspects of human life, emotion, love, hate, pain, joy, the whole range of human experience.
    We are here to have fun, to enjoy the physical life during our time here.
    We are here to make mistakes, to discover, to be happy and to be sad.
    Our previous incarnations, memories and experience are blanked out during our time on this Earth but may seep through on occasion, we get a brief flashback that we cannot explain or connect to our current situation.


    I see karma as a kind of balance, if you do bad you will have bad returned to you, same as if you do good then good will be your reward.
    You are here because your soul (the ancient,real you) decided to live here, in this form and with the limitations of a physical form in order to learn and experience something.


    The universe is huge, massive and you have lived in other worlds in other places and you will do so again and again and again, all at your choice.
    Our previous and future lives may not even have been human or indeed on Earth.


    Your spirit/soul is with you at all times, unable to interfere but is able to guide you in a sublime way.
    Your entire human life and all of your previous lives are known to your soul.


    Its a big topic and its a great subject to sit and discuss.


    Meanwhile, live your life and learn your lessons, your human form is just temporary meat and bones, a vehicle to enjoy.
    Kind of like a rental vehicle.
    So enjoy it.


    James

  • ... I know people who've done lots of bad things and don't seem to have suffered at all because of it (quite the opposite) and equally I know people who do a lot of good but seem to have a lot of bad luck.

    Who said the Universe had to be fair? How fair was it to the insect you just stepped on? Better perhaps to deal with the arbitrary nature of things, our own fickle nature and suffering it causes, buddhist approach good here.

  • I'd go with the prospect that multiple lives, like chapters perhaps, may be experienced in a lifetime.....I am almost certain that those who originally succeeded in transposing the concepts of Karma and reincarnation were trying to present a meditation that could be understood in the context of wonderment that existed at the time.


    I see the subtext as rational and all encompassing whilst maintaining realism and remaining spiritually appealing.


    I'm only almost certain though because it does seem that some people may have experienced life/death reincarnation............


    Cleverly all encompassing

  • In hinduism the 'sadhu' may be viewed as being in his final life. Nirvana (nothingness) awaits .....the ones I saw were hanging weights from their balls, heavily stoned and blessing everyone in the hope of small comforts to see them through...... They are respected though ....free travel on buses and small kindnesses because that's all they seek.


    They are leaving the world and have touched it as little as possible.


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    In hinduism the 'sadhu' may be viewed as being in his final life. Nirvana (nothingness) awaits .....the ones I saw were hanging weights from their balls, heavily stoned and blessing everyone in the hope of small comforts to see them through...... They are respected though ....free travel on buses and small kindnesses because that's all they seek.


    They are leaving the world and have touched it as little as possible.

  • I wonder whether there's a 'meaning' or if we're all just wandering about trying to find a point to it all.I've had some quite strong experiences when doing 'past life' meditation but obviously I have no way of knowing whether I really have lived before or if I just have a vivid imagination (or was remembering something I've read in a book at some point). If we've lived multiple lives I wonder why some of us aren't a bit more clued up, lol. I do feel dissatisfied a lot of the time but whether that's because I've got some past experience that makes me feel there's more to life than I currently experience or if I'm just bored I don't know.Anyway - not quite sure why this was on my mind this morning but I'd just be interested to know what other people think about it all :)


    Interesting you say youve had experiences meditating as the process is supposed to focus your mind on nothing or some other focus, a pain or feeling whatever you wish as the focus but its at the edge of those moments of empty calm and clarity ive had some really vivid recollections or images rather like a rapid slide show or slow motion film with sound bites and smells and tastes...ive often dismissed them as perhaps film clips or something ive seen on tv thats got regurgitated in my subconscious and comes to the fore at these times like dreams do when we sleep and may wake and remember them briefly.
    The problem ive found is theyre always the same series of recollections.They almost always start as a series of amazingly intricate gothic style patterns then as they progress into more vivid and more intricate patterns they give way to patchworks of coloured pictures like you were pushing through undergrowth into a clearing in a wood.
    Then the show begins...ive had many different ones that recur and would take too long to describe them all...but the most frequent two i have is one im standing on a beach in long brown sack clothing with other men and women, there are wooden boats some with sails up,theres horses too and a lot of screaming and shouting and arrows flying around and people dropping around me then it all goes black.
    The other one i have is another battlefield type of scenario and we're in medieval dress some with armour with swords and pikes and horses and men screaming and swords clashing and i can vividly see the faces of men with long hair battling and me fighting and gasping for breath too.I can smell burning straw and horses and mens sweat and crap and always it ends with a hot metallic burning taste in my mouth and i can feel and see blood gushing like a fountain from my mouth and i tumble to the floor and it all fades away to nothingness.
    To make this all the more bothersome is i have lucid dreams in the daytime of the same things i see in meditating sessions.
    I'm now pretty convinced these aren't dreams or psychotic type visions but recollections of someones lives or rather the ends of them being replayed..i would love to know the answer as to whether theyre previous lives ive lived.


    I know and accept ive always been a bit weird and seen things or heard things other people with me at any time have not.
    Where i used to live i regularly used to see lines of lights like people carrying lanterns across part of a large field,what used to get my hair standing on end was my dog could obviously see them too and her gaze followed them till they vanished.But no one i know whos walked the same fields regularly has seen the same lights.Its not the only place ive seen weird things.
    Ive often had people speak to me and ive answered and realised theres no one there.I often have really awful dreams on the mornings of terrible events like 9/11 or train crashes or air disasters.


    I also have episodes of deja vu around the times of events in my life.For instance i know what places look like and my way around them when ive never been to them before and as i walk around i remember them like ive been there many times.
    I telI people whats around a corner or down a street and sure enough its there.36 years ago -i was 20 then- I pictured everything about my fathers funeral days before he was iil.Similarly with my mothers funeral 11 years ago.
    Currently over the last few weeks im experiencing lots of moments where im instantly realising ive done this exact moment before.even whrn im writing posts on here or speaking on the phone....this recent bout began when my dog became ill and died and i expected these deja vu moments to end there but they havent,theyve got more prolific which for me is unnerving because it implies something else is on the horizon ...i just at this point in time dont know what it will be and had no premonitions yet.


    So..yeah...despite my uber sceptic nature im certainly convinced that im not mad or delusional but subconsciously picking up on something in the environment or maybe an energy or some consciousness or entity I just cant explain thats feeding me this stuff.
    Its happened all my life it doesnt bother me as such except when episodes become very vivid because they usually mean bad news.
    Im now almost convinced we've lived before over and over just that most of our previous life recollections are wiped or overwritten like a hard drive and only fragments of those lives come to the surface now and then or only accessible in ways weve not yet learned.
    I was nearly tempted once by a hypnotherapist to go on a regression session to see where that lead and maybe open the doors to some answers to what it all means but im also wary that it might also open some ghastly Pandora's box in my mind that ill never close.
    I have quite enough dealing with bad recurrent dreams caused by PTSD I dont want to add to that.
    I sometimes feel like the kid in the film who sees dead people...not scared by it,just bewildered.


  • I like the idea of it being a rental vehicle! Do you think we might have existed before as other things, then, animals or trees or something like that? It's something I find really interesting but a bit scary at the same time, I'm not sure why? Perhaps because it's just so big or there's so much potential there to find out about?

  • Who said the Universe had to be fair? How fair was it to the insect you just stepped on? Better perhaps to deal with the arbitrary nature of things, our own fickle nature and suffering it causes, buddhist approach good here.



    It's the Buddhist approach that's got me thinking about all of this as I've been reading about it and there's a lot in it that I don't understand. They've not mentioned karma (at least not yet) but it's one of the things I struggle to get my head around.


  • Chapters in life seems like a nice idea. It's funny how different different religions are (or different belief systems I suppose is more accurate). Some seem very rigid and have lots of rules whereas others seem a lot more fluid and involve things that would seem strange to others.


  • Wow Nomadic you do sound as if you have some sort of intuitive or sensitive type thing; I don't really know what the word is but someone who picks up on things that other people can't (or don't). Yes I've seen things like film clips, it's me in it but it's as if I'm watching it going on rather than actually being in it, although at the time it's happening I'm feeling quite intense emotions like fear or rage. It is hard to work out what's what in your mind, isn't it? I think I used to disassociate a lot when I was younger and I've found over the years I've had quite vivid flashbacks as chunks of memory have just suddenly reappeared. With me I have wondered if any of it is to do with drug use, though, not that I have for a long time but I wonder if I sort of 'opened' myself up doing acid and various other things. Difficult to know. I find it interesting rather than scary, though.


    What you said about seeing the patterns and coloured pictures reminded me of a book I read about Daniel Tammet. I don't know if you've ever read it but he thinks in colour. He's got Savant Syndrome and he can do the most amazing mathematical calculations in seconds but he doesn't think in numbers, he sees colours and pictures in his mind and that tells him what the answer is. It was incredible to read; I've heard before that our minds can do a lot more than we get them to and when you read how amazing some people's minds are it does make you wonder how much more we might all be able to do.


    I think you're right about the hypnotherapy; I've thought about it in the past but I was worried what they might uncover in there and once you've let it out you might not be able to get it back in! A friend of mine used a hypnotherapist once and thought it was amazing but I've always thought it sounds a bit scary.

  • "but I was worried what they might uncover in there and once you've let it out you might not be able to get it back in!"


    Sometimes you need to let out deeply buried or hidden thoughts, a sort of release,
    kind of - It's out now and it's gone, not hidden away eating at your sub-concious.


    james

  • "I like the idea of it being a rental vehicle! Do you think we might have existed before as other things, then, animals or trees or something like that? It's something I find really interesting but a bit scary at the same time, I'm not sure why? Perhaps because it's just so big or there's so much potential there to find out about?"


    Yes I honestly do think that.
    and we have as many future experiences to enjoy - souls are ancient and immortal.


    we have much to learn


    james

  • Wow Nomadic you do sound as if you have some sort of intuitive or sensitive type thing; I don't really know what the word is but someone who picks up on things that other people can't (or don't). Yes I've seen things like film clips, it's me in it but it's as if I'm watching it going on rather than actually being in it, although at the time it's happening I'm feeling quite intense emotions like fear or rage. It is hard to work out what's what in your mind, isn't it? I think I used to disassociate a lot when I was younger and I've found over the years I've had quite vivid flashbacks as chunks of memory have just suddenly reappeared. With me I have wondered if any of it is to do with drug use, though, not that I have for a long time but I wonder if I sort of 'opened' myself up doing acid and various other things. Difficult to know. I find it interesting rather than scary, though.


    What you said about seeing the patterns and coloured pictures reminded me of a book I read about Daniel Tammet. I don't know if you've ever read it but he thinks in colour. He's got Savant Syndrome and he can do the most amazing mathematical calculations in seconds but he doesn't think in numbers, he sees colours and pictures in his mind and that tells him what the answer is. It was incredible to read; I've heard before that our minds can do a lot more than we get them to and when you read how amazing some people's minds are it does make you wonder how much more we might all be able to do.


    I think you're right about the hypnotherapy; I've thought about it in the past but I was worried what they might uncover in there and once you've let it out you might not be able to get it back in! A friend of mine used a hypnotherapist once and thought it was amazing but I've always thought it sounds a bit scary.


    I know non of my strange visions are to do with drugs or tv.Ive hsd them since i was a child including the battlefield ones when we didnt have colour tv and i was too young to go to the cinema to have had those images implanted in my subconscious.
    Ive told people about them when i was younger and people just thought i was weird or making it up.My doctor told my mother i had probably got a fertile imagination.
    I stopped mentioning it for a long time because id got enough agro to deal with being dyslexic and and regarded as a dunce by everyone...something i didnt find out until my late twenties and a chance conversation with a doctor at work and i saw a specialist.I have dyslexia and Irlen syndrome (scotopic sensitivity syndrome) I aslo have APD audio processing disorder (I have above perfect hearing but i have problems understanding conversation if theres background noise or if im tired (not concentrating) and people mumble.The specialust also said id probably had marked dyspraxia when i was young...poor hand eye coordination...which i did and which made me hopeless at ball games so i avoided them..I still have residual issues in as much as. i cant catch anything thrown to me very well.( i will almost certainly drop it) but if someone throws something at me without telling me and its remotely in my field of vision I will catch it instinctively.Its an automatic reaction not requiring any conscious or subconscious control.


    My PTSD counsellor involved the hypnotherapist to help get to the bottom of dealing with that issue but after talking about all these other issues,wanted to explore them.He said he thought i was probably a savant...not the first to say so either.


    I dream and see lucid dreams and visions in colour.I also think or conjure up concepts in colour,though the number thing you mentioned is not one of my tricks.I can remember sequences of long numbers and good at spotting patterns or inconsistencies either physical graphical or in peoples activity or conversation.
    I suppose you might say im differently wired from birth and may be why i have these dreams visions perceptions intuitions whatever...I find it interesting and bewildering at the same time.The brain and our minds and consciousness are amazing and I dont think we've scratched the surface yet of what theyre capable of.

  • I have a baby great niece. I met her when she was a week or so old, and she immediately focused one me, and her eyes followed me as much as she could. I only see her off and on, but she has acted as though she knows me well, every time she sees me.


    She is 16 months old now, and so when I see her, she will crawl or use furniture to move to me as fast as she can. She uses gestures to me, such as blowing kisses, that she doesn't with anyone else. Weirdest of all, was a week past her first birthday. Charlotte hadn't any language skills yet (she is just beginning to make sounds which mean something, now. "Ta" for cat, and similar words.) Well a week after she was one, I went around and she crawled over to me, so I picked her up and stood her on my knee, and said, :Hello". She looked at me quite carefully, and speaking like an adult, but one who wasn't sure of the word, said, "Hello" back to me, with a slight hesitation in the middle of the word.


    I was so startled that I nearly dropped her, she did not sound like a baby, and didn't even make baba/mama type noises then. It fascinates me though, and I'm looking forward to her talking to see who she thinks I am! I try not to say anything in front of her which she could store for when she has real language, if she has memories to share, I don't want to imprint anything with them.


    Until she was born, I was completely undecided about reincarnation, but now I have no doubts.


  • prickly neck reading that - it'll be the third eye stirring


    twitchy pineal


    james


  • Thats interesting,you should note anything you think odd.It may not mean anything immediately but may come to make sense later.
    Everyone in my family used to say i had the same mannerisms and humour as my grandfather( dads father) who i never met,he died 9 months before i was born.
    I had the same quizical raising of one eyebrow at people which he often used comically and my eyes always focused on my other grandfather mothers dad)immediately who he was great pals with....as well as my mother of course and who he adored.
    My mother told me once that the night my grandfather died of a heart attack she woke up suddenly in bed and saw him sitting on the end of her bed.He just said to her dont worry everything is fine ill always be here with you promptly disappeared.My parents had a telegram first thing in the morning saying hed died in his sleep.
    My other grandfather always thought i might be a reincarnation and. i was always closer to him than I ever was to my father.


    My grandfather was also known for having lucid dreams and premonitions...one of the reasons him and his wife parted company because she ssid he was 'nuts' and scary.She was very superstitious.


    I forgot to add,my neighbours where i was born had a holiday cottage in Wales to which my mom dad and grandfather had been quite a few times. Id never been when he was alive.When i was 3 my parents went with the neighbours to the welsh cottage for a holiday and my mom said i straightaway knew my way instinctively around the place and the first place i went to was one of the bedrooms upstairs facing the sea and sat in the wooden chair my late grandfather always sat in and my mom nearly died with shock.


    Whether ive inherited something of his i dont know.Ive kept it to myself most of the time as people do think youre weird or expect you to do party tricks which you cant do...its not something you have all the time or in control of,it just happens.Sometimes its been a bit of a curse not knowing when these episodes will show up or what they mean.