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  • there was an official recognition on the news this morning that the NHS is "breaking at the seams", talk about closing wards, some entire hospitals, GP's surgeries and A&E departments. in 44 areas in all.
    seems they have a shortfall in funding and they have to cut costs and save money.
    i don't think when the NHS was brought into being way back in 1948 it was ever expected to stay in budget-if they even had such a thing, it would just cost what it cost, it was never expected to make a profit.

  • Its 'profit'driven now,as any company is.Its being engineered to fail just as it was in the 80's under Thatcher,to give the government an excuse to privatise it to 'save' it from collapse.
    A notable wealthy land owner died recently,his son has escaped paying 3 billion in inheritance taxes which would have covered this years NHS budgetary shortfall.
    While there is widescale defrauding of the treasury finances by corporates and rich individuals thats quietly approved of and encouraged by government and not acted on,there will continue to be a huge shortfall to fund public services...but thats what they want..they have a mission for health provision being privatised and the welfare system shut down.They learned all the methodology from the US Repiglicans who they spent time with before they came to office.


    The government set out to cut services altogether or significantly cut funding to all public bodies on that mission,yet its deficit has doubled since they took office because theyve paid private corporates to take over services.Those companies promptly channel all their income to offshore tax havens not the British treasury so we're all in a lose lose situation.
    The service weve all paid into to provide us with 'free' health care for our entire lives will go and we'll still have to pay if we're sick...No one seems to notice we're being thoroughly shafted in every way possible by the government. Of course its all the fault of disabled people sick and workshy and immigrants...When people finally wake up it will all be gone.We'll be back to their good old 'Victorian values' the rich can afford what they want and the poor can fuck off and die.

  • Its 'profit'driven now,as any company is.Its being engineered to fail just as it was in the 80's under Thatcher,to give the government an excuse to privatise it to 'save' it from collapse.
    A notable wealthy land owner died recently,his son has escaped paying 3 billion in inheritance taxes which would have covered this years NHS budgetary shortfall.
    While there is widescale defrauding of the treasury finances by corporates and rich individuals thats quietly approved of and encouraged by government and not acted on,there will continue to be a huge shortfall to fund public services...but thats what they want..they have a mission for health provision being privatised and the welfare system shut down.They learned all the methodology from the US Repiglicans who they spent time with before they came to office.


    The government set out to cut services altogether or significantly cut funding to all public bodies on that mission,yet its deficit has doubled since they took office because theyve paid private corporates to take over services.Those companies promptly channel all their income to offshore tax havens not the British treasury so we're all in a lose lose situation.
    The service weve all paid into to provide us with 'free' health care for our entire lives will go and we'll still have to pay if we're sick...No one seems to notice we're being thoroughly shafted in every way possible by the government. Of course its all the fault of disabled people sick and workshy and immigrants...When people finally wake up it will all be gone.We'll be back to their good old 'Victorian values' the rich can afford what they want and the poor can fuck off and die.


    nope you have to buy health insurance like the yanks do.

  • As someone who has worked in NHS for a number of years it is odd when people say it shouldn't be privatised, it already is in all but name. So many valuable services are farmed out to profiteers. If it doesn't make a buck they shut up shop and move on.

  • Indeed it wasn't. The powers that be never or didn't want to acknowledge that the population would grow to what it is now and the social system is being manipulated where it will end up as if you can pay great, if not, tough shit. How much like the US we are becoming sadly.

  • Indeed it wasn't. The powers that be never or didn't want to acknowledge that the population would grow to what it is now and the social system is being manipulated where it will end up as if you can pay great, if not, tough shit. How much like the US we are becoming sadly.


    unfortunately yes, but so far I haven't had to pay a penny towards my health except for my national insurance contributions, although my dad had Bupa membership for him and mum but mum was always in bad health so that made sense. she died of TB in 1985.

  • nope you have to buy health insurance like the yanks do.


    Assuming you can afford the premiums.
    My friend in Oregon who once had a large farm has had to declare bankrupcy twice due to lste husbands 2nd and 3rd heart attack not being affordably covered.He died in the end...She now.has MS and cant work she cant get cover she can afford.Shes basically on her own and seen as low priority on a saturday morning open surgery.
    The difference is the system there has always been thus.Here a couple of generations have paid towards their 'free' state health care that theyre soon going to have to foot insurance costs for...in effect paying for something theyve already paid for.
    Great if your on a good income in a stable long term job and can foot the insurance premiums...not so great if youre not so fortunate.

  • As someone who has worked in NHS for a number of years it is odd when people say it shouldn't be privatised, it already is in all but name. So many valuable services are farmed out to profiteers. If it doesn't make a buck they shut up shop and move on.


    I worked in the NHS for 15 years during the time its slowly transitioned from the old NHS to the creation of internal markets under PFI's.No end of money has been wasted channelling money into the 'private' services operating within the NHS...its still all been free at point of entry and the moderate costs per person in NI and tax make it affordable.That will soon change and people will have to pay.They wont get any reduction in NI or tax though nor refunded for the years theyve paid in to it.


    I dont think they did know the costs would escalate so much as they didnt count on major medical advances and the cost of those developments.Its still affordable to a country like this.The main problem is private contractors working in the NHS ineptly miss managing and just seeing it as a huge cash cow to milk dry a mechanism to redistribute government funding to private shareholders...One huge expensive jolly for the private sector on the backs of taxpayers.
    The government despises the weak and disabled and subsidising their meagre existence but quite happy subsidising billion dollar corporates to the benefit of only a few ...hello UK .. or are we USA ? hard to tell these days.

  • Whilst the NHS needs to adapt to a greater population it is also bound by the absurdity of current trends. Obesity for example, controversial I appreciate but it is a result of processed food and lack of exercise it is not a disease in its own right yet is treated as such and vast sums are spent. Similarly, the amount of money spent on middle management and consultancy is obscene! There are many conditions that are ultimately personal responsibility and not unavoidable but they are conveniently used to make it look like things are being done. I could go on but won't.

  • you know what they say:" you don't know what you had until its gone"!!


    That's so very true - people aren't going to wake up to how bad things are until many more of them start being affected - health, education, social care, housing, the effects are always felt first by those most in need.


    I hate slagging off the NHS because I do believe very passionately in a health service that's free at the point of use and I am aware it's being deliberately run into the ground but the care my son has received in the ten years that he's needed it has been of a very poor quality and if I'd had any idea our health service didn't actually provide good quality health care for everyone I'd have made sure we both had private health insurance. But, you don't know what a service is like if you've no need of it so I just assumed if there was a problem we'd be fine. We've gone private as much as we can but it's frighteningly expensive and if you need multiple tests/assessments to establish the cause of a problem you can easily spend thousands just ruling things out.


    I do as much as I can through lifestyle and complementary therapies but he does require specialist neurological services and they just aren't there. It took two years to work through all the other doctors before he finally saw the neurologist (who worked out what the problem was in thirty minutes flat; no-one else had had a clue) and he's now been waiting seven weeks for an 'urgent' EEG to confirm (or otherwise) what the neurologist thinks is going on. The staff and resources simply aren't there.


    I do think it would have been a good idea, maybe even right at the beginning, to have sent people a bill so they'd know how much it would have cost them if they'd had to pay individually. I don't think a lot of people know how much something as simple as a routine blood test would cost if they had to go to a private clinic for it and it might help people realise there are some things they can do through lifestyle changes and a bit of common sense sometimes. Hindsight is always helpful :)

  • What you guys have to realise is that we are entering into a new era. The world is over-populated, and there is no place for most people. The NHS is now geared to getting rid of the sick and the elderly ( unless they are rich ). In the process, it is milking the working population and the pensioners to increase the wealth of Big Pharma, and the other corporates.


    Why do you think they put aluminium and mercury in vaccines, and push heroin, statins and other damaging drugs.

  • The NHS has been in continual crisis since it's inception.....all political parties have made commitments not to reduce NHS funding......what they have failed to account for is the wage increase necessary to retain boots on the ground given changing work laws and hyperinflation in some areas of the economy over the last twenty years.


    I have zero belief in the NHS and would rather see those 1 million employees properly remunerated and a more realistic euthanising system that supports individuals through a limited number of serious health incidents.

  • I used to have regular flu injections, I got them free on the NHS, but I gave up having them about 5 years ago when there was some discussions on what was included in them, I haven't had flu since I stopped, funny that?

  • The flu injections caused the flu to mutate, and big pharma can't keep up with the changes. However, they can keep up with banking the money they rip off from the NHS by selling snake-oil remedies that damage your health.

  • apparently there is a different strain every winter, the last time someone said they put swine flu in it so I stopped having it.

  • The NHS ...Started To Fail And Breakdown ...As Soon As It Was
    SEEN..RUN..Etc As A Business Sadly:(
    Because When ..."Profits.. Turnarounds...Cutbacks...Targets Etc
    Are Seen As "More Important" Than "The People..The Patients Etc"
    Then Sadly The NHS Hospitals..Staff..Care Etc....Starts And Started To "Disappear Into The Voids" :(