UK Poverty

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  • This article made some interesting reading to me - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24553611


    Apart from the claim made that "17% of children, or 2.3 million, were classed as being in poverty while 15% of working-age adults, or 5.6 million, were in poverty ... for pensioners, meanwhile, that figures was 16% - or 1.9 million." , it gave some figures as to what counts officially as poverty.


    Poverty is defined as having a household income that is less than 60% of the national median income.
    The latest government figures on poverty, released in June, show the median UK household income for 2011/2012 was £427 a week - 60% of that figure was £256 a week.


    On that basis, my household income is at 61% of the national average... and this is with a "good", graduate professional job... so I'm very "borderline", I'm not entitled to any help whatsoever... and yes, I'm struggling. So it shocks me as to how many people have to live on less than what I'm on, it really must be difficult - but it annoys me that this is allowed to happen in a civilised, first world country - kids are starving, a lot of people are having to choose between heating and food this winter, and there's no sign of things improving.


    How did it get like this?

  • Totally agree with you Muninn .


    Lots of folks have different opinions of how it all come about .


    But the answer is , Because it did .{best I can do }

  • Indeed, and even some of those who are lucky to have a house and a job are having to rely on foodbanks and charities to survive, and not through any fault of their own...


    Hello Muninn :thumbup:


    You mentioned food banks ,


    A friend of mine is moving house , ,ive been running them to big tescos and Asda stores for the last 5 months to pick up Bananna Boxes , free , but given the go ahead for the store to save them ,organised by tescos and asdas head office in London to be collected in our local Blackburn Stores .


    She found out the other day that there will be no more boxes available to the public from those stores as they were now all going to food banks . { Says something big is happening doesn't it }

  • Poverty on this scale in a country as developed as ours is purely and simply a political choice. Our government has quite simply chosen to follow policies which are resulting in poverty and are choosing to do nothing to intervene. It is quite within their power to end it and they refuse to do so. Worse, they blame the victims and tell people to wear a jumper. Remember this when you have a chance to get rid of them.

  • It's maddening...and at the same time as these statistics....there is a divide amongst the lower earners as to who claims any benefits or not!........we are being split apart and encouraged to set upon one another without looking at the reasons why!


    Food banks should not be a thing of modern western society surely? (but has the wealthy west moved eastwards?) Even the red cross has got involved with these in the UK.


    People need to be inspired by that Icelandic revolution....but we wont, we'll just sit on our arses and take it.

  • It's maddening...and at the same time as these statistics....there is a divide amongst the lower earners as to who claims any benefits or not!........we are being split apart and encouraged to set upon one another without looking at the reasons why!


    Food banks should not be a thing of modern western society surely? (but has the wealthy west moved eastwards?) Even the red cross has got involved with these in the UK.


    People need to be inspired by that Icelandic revolution....but we wont, we'll just sit on our arses and take it.


    My neighbour uses them , they are now giving people food in the boxes that the food doesn't have to be warmed up even ,
    {Blackburn ,but I think it may be national as well } cause some people cant even afford to buy to much Gas or Electric these days .}


    But this Scandal or whatever its name ,is only the Tip of the Iceburgh of whats in store for us all next .

  • My Swedish friends think it is scandalous that so many people can't afford to heat their homes, or cook properly... it doesn't make sense to them!


    It's maddening...and at the same time as these statistics....there is a divide amongst the lower earners as to who claims any benefits or not!........we are being split apart and encouraged to set upon one another without looking at the reasons why!


    Food banks should not be a thing of modern western society surely? (but has the wealthy west moved eastwards?) Even the red cross has got involved with these in the UK.


    People need to be inspired by that Icelandic revolution....but we wont, we'll just sit on our arses and take it.


    Most people aren't even aware of what has happened in Iceland, because the mass media won't tell them! And that's the disturbing thing with the media and government, they're almost encouraging us to turn on others... for example, in my position - I work full time, as many hours as my health allows, can't/won't claim anything... I'm supposed to hate benefits scroungers, I mean claimers... but I won't. They're the unfortunate ones and I feel more the vast majority of them, and pray that I don't go that way.


    And Julian, I hope that anyone with half a brain will vote them out at the first opportunity, but will anyone else be any better? Labour just seem to be the same style of party nowadays, just with a red rosette...

  • 10% of the population own 90% of the land.
    90% of the population live on 10% of the land!


    The rich stay rich due to the land they own and protect.
    House prices go up and down every 10-15 years. Boom bust Boom bust...


    Buy land! It pretty much always holds its price and mostly just goes up in price.
    Once you have land, you can ... __________*





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  • Everybody here is right, it is a total disgrace that we need food banks in the UK.
    We are beginning to feel the sharp edge of a social engineering pattern that appeared to start way back with Thatcher and has been getting worse ever since. Thatcher admired Victorian 'values' and we are going downhill towards them at quite a pace now. You only have to read about the state of the working class in Victorian times to see what our country's present political leaders would like to reduce us to.

    But out of those grim times came various ideas like socialism, anarchism, communism, and the beginnings of a solidarity of the working classes. It was a long struggle, indirectly helped by two world wars, that brought us to the start of the welfare state in 1946. I only hope that we can have a second rennaisance of the working people from the grim times we are heading into, but that we can do it without needing any further world wars.

    All through my childhood and growing-up years things seemed to be getting a little better for the working person; there was money to spare after you had paid your bills for the week; and you only had to work a 37-hour week, and when you got home the evening stretched pleasantly before you, as did the weekends.
    Now many of those who are working have to work long long hours to make the job pay enough for essentials, and many others have no jobs at all. The blaming of our fellow comrades who are out of work and/or claiming benefits is obviously deliberate pro-government propaganda, but if enough people read it often enough some of them will begin to believe it. Hitler said that the bigger the lie you told, the more people would believe it....


  • Get your caravan/bus/yurt the hell of it, what right do you think youve got to live on the land you own

  • I`ve got 70p till next friday ,me calor gas has ran out and I`m going to McDonalds if i need to crimp one off cos i got nee paper left.... if it doesnt rain,I`ll busk.... I suppose I might be classed as in that poverty bracket?
    But---theres loads worse off that me I reckon.
    den

  • I just saw Paul O'Grady advertising on behalf of Save The Children, but this time not for Africa but for Children living in absolute poverty in the uk. In the adhe talked about a child whose mother works but still can't afford a duvet for him so he sleeps in a coat and she skips meals so he he can eat but often its still toast. It's sickening.

  • But it seems the majority don't seem to care and it's the poor and all those in this situation fault . That's the impression I get anyway and nothing will change 'cos we,as a nation, just seem to accept it

  • The poverty that is highlighted in these figures is a concern, but poverty goes far beyond economics and finance. Of equal if not greater concern is the emotional, relational and spiritual poverty.

  • The poverty that is highlighted in these figures is a concern, but poverty goes far beyond economics and finance. Of equal if not greater concern is the emotional, relational and spiritual poverty.


    emotional,relational and spiritual well-being is quite often directly proportional to the amount of money you have in yer pocket and how much Calor Gas is left in the cylinder.
    True that.
    den


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    The poverty that is highlighted in these figures is a concern, but poverty goes far beyond economics and finance. Of equal if not greater concern is the emotional, relational and spiritual poverty.


    emotional,relational and spiritual well-being is quite often directly proportional to the amount of money you have in yer pocket and how much Calor Gas is left in the cylinder.
    True that.
    den

  • i genuinely don't understand the political decisions being made... :S cut jobs... then say there are too many people on benefits so cut benefits? either they're incredibly irredeemably stupid or they're nasty malicious ad psychopathic :/

    we reenact Noah's ancient drama, but in reverse, like a film running backwards, the animals exiting


  • Emotional , Relational , Spiritual ,


    Have got to disagree with being Skint making people Emotionally depressed , {yes you do have a point were some folks are destitute , } that's another story ,but some folks spend the money they have on things that are not needed to survive on .


    Spiritual , I think the less you have the more Spiritual you become .


    Relationships you may be rite about , but then again some times you can have a partner that is also in the same mindset .

  • have you seen on benefits an proud ok so they highlight a handfull of people who work the system but how can it be that people who are working have to use foodbanks they put the extreme cases on the box to make it look like any body on benefits is scrounging not highlighting that people are not being paid enough to live just some sort of decent life i am not the most compassionate person but i feel ashamed when i see people in this poverty cant be the only one who thinks this phoned to help out at our local food bank an was told been flooded with offers of help due you heat or eat weve gone back to victorian times


  • I was being slighty facetious Grandad...but there is a bit of truth in how much more spiritual and romantic one can become etc when yer warm and full of bait and wine and no bailiffs are brayin on yer door like.

  • dont no what facetious means but no money no food no heating an somebody banging on the back door when my mam was doing her best to bring us up i do know


    snap... and isnt it fair to say... back in those days...the notion of spirituality and emotions were a bit like...kept in check.
    den


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  • i genuinely don't understand the political decisions being made... :S cut jobs... then say there are too many people on benefits so cut benefits? either they're incredibly irredeemably stupid or they're nasty malicious ad psychopathic :/


    No, they're not that stupid. Your second option is correct. The most frightening thing is that some of them must genuinely believe that all of this is in our best interests. That's just warped.