Modified Vehicles to be made illegal by EU

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  • your all missing the point, modified means altering the the vehicle shell,chasis,engine or gear box. Turning a van into a caravette for example by fitting a bed and cupboards is not classed as modifying because you havn't altered the main components.

  • your all missing the point, modified means altering the the vehicle shell,chasis,engine or gear box. Turning a van into a caravette for example by fitting a bed and cupboards is not classed as modifying because you havn't altered the main components.


    Phew, that's good news!

  • whenver it comes to the EU, the british seem to hit "panic".


    as usual, this a fuss over nothing.


    the proposed law is just that vehicles are "roadworthy as first issued".
    but that if modifications are made - they have to be re-tested for roadworthyness.


    vehicles over 30 years old are exempt.


    in other words... it's just standardising practices which are already in force in most (including the uk) countries.

  • Another way to dodge the legislation, if it appears, is to run a standard pick up with all of your fettling and ingenuity contained in a demountable camper body. This body is a "load" and under MOT rules must be removed before taking your now bog standard pickup for its annual test.


    There's always ways round the rules!

  • Another way to dodge the legislation, if it appears, is to run a standard pick up with all of your fettling and ingenuity contained in a demountable camper body. This body is a "load" and under MOT rules must be removed before taking your now bog standard pickup for its annual test.


    There's always ways round the rules!


    A very good point :clap:

  • When I asked the lady at local DVLA she said they wil be ignoring anything that is over ten years old that becomes altered not sure how official that is, not sure if all the need for speed crew realise the consquences and will have to learn the meaning of bog standard and boring. Although I did go on the dvla website and they had a massive amount of info and laws etc in a section for companies that are altering vechiles into specialist vecihiles, as to how to alter the vechile and get the certificate. Probably can skell to.

  • Another way to dodge the legislation, if it appears, is to run a standard pick up with all of your fettling and ingenuity contained in a demountable camper body. This body is a "load" and under MOT rules must be removed before taking your now bog standard pickup for its annual test. There's always ways round the rules!

    This is standard in Canada, not to get round any rules, but they all have pick-up trucks. When they want to go camping, they just dump the camper body on the back and off they go!

  • my van and my bike are both kinda dull and untinkered-with. apart from some curtains (in the van, not the bike).


    but i did go on the bike demo to brussels last november cos i don't approve of, you know, this sort of thing. it's just not cricket.


    although i shall mostly start worrying when they start banning modified genitals. :S

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  • Doesnt look good for my bus plans, theres gotta be a way round it.

    Unless your plans involve putting a massively oversized engine in without upgrading the brakes etc. or doing something particularly stupid to the body, my understanding is that you should be fine. Beds and kitchens aren't modifications. They're cargo.

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  • As it happens because of the stupid way the rules are set its easier to fit a massive engine and not upgrade the rest of the car than it is to do it the sensible way.


    In very basic terms, you need to retain your vehicles original registration number to avoid having to put it through what is known as BIVA (this used to be the SVA) BIVA is a test to make sure your car complies with any construction and use regulations that may apply to it.


    In order to retain your registration number you must score 8 points on the DVLA system, your vehicle starts out with 14 points and for every major part on the vehicle that you change, you lose a set amount of points.


    This part of the system has not changed for about 30 years, however because insurance, V5 and MOT info is now on computer a lot of cars are being called in for inspection when the computer flags up a mismatch of information whereas for many years owner have been able to just get away with it so it never became common knowledge.


    Anyway, these are the points your car is allocated with,



    • chassis or body shell (body and chassis as one unit - monocoque ie direct replacement from the manufacturer) (original or new) = 5 points
    • suspension = 2 points
    • axles = 2 points
    • transmission = 2 points
    • steering assembly = 2 points
    • engine = 1 point


    Every one of these item you change loses you the relevant amount of points from your originally allocated 14, if you go below 8 the DVLA consider the vehicle to no longer be the same vehicle that they gave the registration number to and will withdraw it,


    Note that your 8 points MUST include 5 from an UNMODIFIED chassis or monocoque.


    To get a new reg number you must go through BIVA at which point if you pass you will be given a Q plate.


    Q plates have a stigma because they also get attached to stolen recovered or crash repaired vehicles that have been written off by insurance companies and the Q plate is non transferable, its stupid really because anything with a Q plate on has been though SVA or BIVA and has been proved to be safe.


    Anything built from the early 90's onwards should have no difficulty passing BIVA provided you haven't done anything stupid to it.


    Earlier stuff can have issues because there are rules for a minimum curve on any exposed edges (steel bumpers, windscreen wipers, roof racks can all fail this part but a bit of rubber edging strip stuck on can get you through)


    More difficult items to get through can be a minimum required thickness of crash padding on the dashboard and the real killer for old cars is E marked glass, which simply isn't available for a lot of stuff built up the 70's

  • and the real killer for old cars is E marked glass, which simply isn't available for a lot of stuff built up the 70's

    This was a problem area for me back in 2003 when some kids broke in to my Leyland Alexandra Double Decker bus. They smashed one of the large side windows and I had to have a company come out to site to make a new glass for it. I was told that if I wanted Cert glass ( required if the vehicle was ever to be tested and put in use as a PSV) This was going to cost me several hundred £ or I could just have un-marked glass installed for eighty quid. This is what I chose. While the guy was fitting the glass back in to the bus, he said, he could stencil the mark in to the glass for me, Its not something he should do but they often do this on plant machinery to save money. He offered me the stencil for Twenty quid. I declined his offer as I wasn't planning on charging passengers.

  • For BIVA its actually a bit more complicated than just an E mark, there are european standards the glass must comply with, however this has been granted a stay of execution because of some campaigning that http://www.the-ace.org.uk/ did although VOSA have said that its only temporary.


    The whole thing is fairly complicated and it actually works out easier to build an entire vehicle yourself than it does to modify an existing one these days, this is one reason kit cars are getting more popular. :S


    However, modifying your vehicle has catagorically not been banned, nor is it ever planned to be, i have been following this quite closely for a long time and i actually watched the European parliament session live online where it was discussed.


    Our MEP raised the issue and both he and other representatives said as much, it was made clear the new regs are to bring the newer EU countries MOT tests up to an acceptable standard, NOT to stop owners fiddling with their cars. :)

  • This is probably relevant to a few truck on here that have had chassis alterations, if you have some reasonable proof that your van was modified before 1998 then you can notify DVLA of the changes and not have to face the test.


    Note that if your vehicle has a full seperate chassis you can do what you like to the bodywork, this does NOT include vans where the cab is welded to the chassis and is therefore part of the chassis.


    http://www.the-ace.org.uk/exis…rospective-biva/#more-751

  • This is probably relevant to a few truck on here that have had chassis alterations, if you have some reasonable proof that your van was modified before 1998 then you can notify DVLA of the changes and not have to face the test. Note that if your vehicle has a full seperate chassis you can do what you like to the bodywork, this does NOT include vans where the cab is welded to the chassis and is therefore part of the chassis. http://www.the-ace.org.uk/exis…rospective-biva/#more-751

    I'm confused.. I have a T reg 1999/2000 Ford Transit County conversion ex mini bus, that I have converted to camper. not changed on log book yet. it is a partnership with county tractors and ford. Ford would supply the vehicle standard and county would bolt on a split separate chassis. On this they hung the 4 x 4 running gear, new axles, transferbox, steering rack, props etc. Will I have any bollox with the new regs?

  • cant see a problem there steve as it was done before registration
    I extended a transit a few years ago by 4ft complete with extra axle,took it to the ministry for reclassification,nope because i hadn't altered the original chassis only added to it did not need it. log book came back as a 7.5 t transit

  • I'm confused.. I have a T reg 1999/2000 Ford Transit County conversion ex mini bus, that I have converted to camper. not changed on log book yet. it is a partnership with county tractors and ford. Ford would supply the vehicle standard and county would bolt on a split separate chassis. On this they hung the 4 x 4 running gear, new axles, transferbox, steering rack, props etc. Will I have any bollox with the new regs?


    As mentioned by the Wandering Gypsy the vehicle will have been registered after its mods so its fine as is, if county have fitted a full on separate chassis that the rest of the van is bolted on to, you actually have it easier than most transit vans as you can do what you like to the shell.


    In the DVLAs eyes, if you have a full chassis (not welded on chassis rails) the chassis is the part that carries the registration number and the body work is irrelevant to them, of course you still have to abide by the road regs for length, width safety, lighting etc etc, but you could legally take the van body off and fit a different one without requiring a test and re-registration.


    Once my chevy is finished and i have sold my Volvo I will be looking for a decent chassis and running gear for my next project, i have a hankering to knock up something a bit sci fi looking out of foam and fiberglass. :D