Facebook Killed The pub

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  • Ok possibly the smoking ban, outrageous prices, and cheap prices in the supermarket probably helped.


    but i just wondered what your view were people, I feel that as a facebook non user (i quit it years ago but i am having second thoughts)


    I know we are in recesive times and that is nt helping,


    however i think its just far to easy to talk to people online rather than having a shower and go trekking to the pub,


    Am i part of a lost generation who misses going into a crowded pub seeing old mates every now and then and having a natter. but this weekend the pubs around us were dead.


    I m as guilty as the next person of going online and not going out but really our pubs are on their knees,


    whats the future, American style big parties?
    massive liqour stores?


    I mean 10 years from now will the town pubs go?


    So a brief insight whar will the futurte be i find it fascinating a british instiution may go.


    will it be smart phones and just like the here and now, like right theres a party at... bring beer and food,


    maybee there will be like events that just happen straight away say in rented units for birthdays etc,

  • Several years ago we started having shed parties :D Every Wednesday and friday night one of the friends would open their garden or allotment shed for a wild evening of music/drugs and drink. These became so popular that sheds were adapted to be a extension of the home with a wild west/redneck shack theme, with a eclectic mix of shed living items. :) A stove would be burning. The odd partridge /pheasant/venison or traditional feast would be laid on. We brought our own alcohol. Sheds grew in size and numbers over the years, to sometimes accommodate upto 20 musicians and their partners. Opening times until the last man standing usually ment sleepovers and this helped with the drink driver situation. All you need is a good size shed and understanding neighbors.

  • Morning Gee ,


    I lived on a small Peninsula up North , everyone new each other and everyone was known in the local community includind Landlords/Ladies ,were sometimes we didnt even go home at nite we stayed in the pub and bedded down {yep that friendly} once that smoking ban come in , it killed the places ,, now some none smokers wont agree ,but then just ask a smoker what they think .


    Then you had the price of Alchohol rising ,
    Thats why most pubs now serve cheap food to try and bring custom back . Catering for families to make up what theyve lost from the regular drinkers .


    I dont think that pubs are dead because people find going on line more entertaining , i think that more peeps are online because they cant afford to go out or dont see the point iff you cant smoke and have to stand in the rain to do so .


    I smoke , and you have to realise that some none smokers went to the pub to chat to there friends and have a good time , some of us smokers arnt there any more so the knock on effect is some none smokers dont go iether because some who created the atmospere prefer to smoke at home with other friends who do or none smoker peeps that dont mind smokers .


    Plus who can afford pub prices anymore , ?


    All this i think have driven people to go online for entertainment instead of the other way round .

  • Several years ago we started having shed parties :D Every Wednesday and friday night one of the friends would open their garden or allotment shed for a wild evening of music/drugs and drink. These became so popular that sheds were adapted to be a extension of the home with a wild west/redneck shack theme, with a eclectic mix of shed living items. :) A stove would be burning. The odd partridge /pheasant/venison or traditional feast would be laid on. We brought our own alcohol. Sheds grew in size and numbers over the years, to sometimes accommodate upto 20 musicians and their partners. Opening times until the last man standing usually ment sleepovers and this helped with the drink driver situation. All you need is a good size shed and understanding neighbors.


    Yep i agree , to hell with Commercialism , and what they want ,


    Only time to use a pub iff your supplying a bit of free music and getting free beer ,or your just passing and need to use the toilet :thumbup:

  • Several years ago we started having shed parties :D Every Wednesday and friday night one of the friends would open their garden or allotment shed for a wild evening of music/drugs and drink. These became so popular that sheds were adapted to be a extension of the home with a wild west/redneck shack theme, with a eclectic mix of shed living items. :) A stove would be burning. The odd partridge /pheasant/venison or traditional feast would be laid on. We brought our own alcohol. Sheds grew in size and numbers over the years, to sometimes accommodate upto 20 musicians and their partners. Opening times until the last man standing usually ment sleepovers and this helped with the drink driver situation. All you need is a good size shed and understanding neighbors.


    Now that sounds like my sort of party :D

  • Dont think of putting one on the Rocket Roundabout up by yours lol


    :D Now that is kinda busy, the one at the end of our little lane is bad enough, i've spent a couple of minutes waiting to get out on a few occasions. :S

  • I think the tv killed the pub, the way that we have become such voracious consumers, and spending time using the things we have purchased. Spending our disposable incomes in other ways has done more to spoil the tradition of the pub than anything else.


    You look at how much and what % of disposable income is spent on clothes, mobiles, take away and convenience food now compared to the 15, 20 or even 30 or more years ago, and you will see pretty clearly why the pub suffers so much.


    Also I think the social adrogeny which has become so prevalent has also alterd the role of the pub. As sexist as it was, the pub was the 'sanctity of man' as a rule. A place where man went to moan, while the wife kept house. A way of life that is well and truly gone now (no opinion on that, just my perception of how things have changed!)


    I loved pubs and clubs (as in social clubs) so much, and I still do now. I go as often as I want to, but I want to a lot less than ever before. I hate seeing all the pubs closing, but times do move on, sentimentality saves nothing, hard work and fighting do very little either. If we as a mass population move away from pubs as we have, some will move on and go with the times, do what they need to to survive, others won't, and will sadly close.


    Anyhow, I am now off down my local, to do my bit as it were :D Cheers!

  • No ,ive seen first hand how pubs went down drasticaly in the last 7 yrs , it was a lot to do with the smoking ban , and im not saying that because im a smoker ,


    Had friends with pubs ,they still got them as well ,there Landlords {Free House}and cant sell the places ,


    Then Beer price increased .Peeps do go to pubs but instead of drinking there usual consumption will stand all nite with a pint or 2 .


    No profit for the landlord .


    Some try and put bands on to encourage peeps to come in ,but they dont want to pay them iether {well not good anyway , }so the bands arnt to enthusiastic anymore .


    I think most who go now are younger people on a thursday Friday or Saturday ,just spending there hard earned cash and then skint for rest of the week ,

  • No ,ive seen first hand how pubs went down drasticaly in the last 7 yrs , it was a lot to do with the smoking ban , and im not saying that because im a smoker ,


    If you want to play one upsies, I was a landlord in a CAMRA recognised pub, as the smoking ban was introduced, and for the following 4 years, and am talking from my own experiences.


    My points however, relate to the fact that the smoking ban was the final straw in a long line of social change that has made pubs much less popular and no longer the atmospheric and vibrant place it once was.

  • I agree the smoking ban has turned many away from the pubs but another thing is the carvery lunch, it's hard to have a few pints and a good laugh with mates when the carvery bar is bang in the middle of where the old dart board used to be, also the pub grub trade splits the place in two it just aint the same. toasted sandwiches is as far as it should have gone, the smoking ban, lord save us I landed in Heathrow a couple of years back and got a car lift straight into south Kensington when I got out of the car it took ten minuets to catch breath such is the air pollution in the city I doubt a bit of pub smoke would make much difference.

  • Hi clash ,


    I used to meet up in the local shops with faces i new and when the smoking ban come into force they stayed at home with a few Cans or a Bottle , and tell me being humourous that they could smoke in there pub , {that being there private house etc } then i think they got that used to not spending £50 on a Saturday nite in the pub and only £14 for a bottle of Scotch from Bargain Booze they started realising that drinking at home{with friends} was saving them an awfull lot of money .


    I used to play with friends in certain pubs {Acoustic music} Landlord used to like Jonny Cash , so we played his requests lol and got free beer all nite and shorts off his missus , then closing time ,a lock in , pots of home made curry , but those days are all gone ,the pubs are all dead now.


    But like someone on here said , a do it yourself type thing is whats needed ,, a Shibine i think they are ,


    Music , Food ,, Wine ,, and Dancing on the tables ,just like the good old days . lol

  • Social insularity has killed the pub - be that TV, gaming, Facebook... whatever. People have simply lost the desire to leave the house. The smoking ban was surely the final nail in the coffin, but pubs have been in decline for a long time. It's sad, but I don't see the trend reversing any time soon.


  • I mean 10 years from now will the town pubs go?


    as far as i'm concerned, they've already gone. beyond all recognition. when i was a youngster, you'd only see bouncers in nightclubs. now there are bouncers outside every pub in the high street. and they're not just there to look pretty. i appreciate that age and chronic cynicism may have skewed my perceptions somewhat, but i swear that when i was a teenager the town centre wasn't quite so much like a cross between a cattle market and a war zone.

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  • I think facebook and chatrooms smart phones etc etc definatly has drastically changed the way people socialise, i csn remember in my early teenage years we were allowed as the local kids to go into the pool room end and buy pop and crisps and play pool, from say 14 we went every sat night, then went home and watched red dwarf.


    There was a good vibrant mix of people all ages from old to young and everyone got on no bother,


    then when we got older we started going to town pubs, there was a mix of people from all walks of life and all ages and all backgrounds. Everyone met up in the same pubs fairly regulary. And there were fights and bit of bother as well


    Then things started to change.


    24 hour drinking ment the town pubs had to get doormen for the license.


    but the little town pubs found that it became a struggke to keep going and make this mystery profit working long hours so they gave up and started sort of packing up about 12.


    so people started going further afield for big nights out. stag and hen parties etc etc etc.


    full circle the local village pubs to survive are becoming exclusivly eating places with no atmosphere the pool tables gone that interaction with young and old gone. everything i think is more marketed to your age.


    so like attmic said the kids play online games and facebook the older folks facebook and the pensioners sit at home watching telly.


    Add to this the fucking idiots in the houses of parliament who just like to screw pubs for all they have on beer and the coffin lids about on the pub.


    I got talking to a old bloke today at work whos a semi retired gardener and he drinks quite a bit and he basicly said he just cant be arsed to go to the pub he said he can by wine or beer or spirits cheep sit at home by the fire and watch telly and smoke till he s blue in the face.


    he said when he went to his local he sat at the bar on his own and thought whats the point of this!


    the people that come in are all there to eat meals in the rural pubs and he hardly had anyone to talk to just sat there like a dummy.


    so i think across the age range people have stopped going. add to that a recession and high drink prices at the pump and the jobs fucked.


    Surely the pubs could do with a hand possibly lower taxes on beer maybee higher on alcopops maybe no duty on pop and chrisps and maybe a teenager end to keep the job right. because in my sort of life the old folks kept the young ones in line.


    I suppose you just cant stand still. Possibly the way things move so quick a big transformation will occour. with small oubs becoming properties. and possibly in the future everthing will revolve round the internet. ie people buying there drink online for parties etc. In a way this decade will see a huge change in our socialising habbits i think.

  • Hi Gee ,


    I realy cant work out the logic of the government , {O dont get me wrong ,i know there there to fill there own pockets up ,but thats another story}


    But this topic , i havnt a clue why theyve completely knackered up the Pubs , what is there logic ? i havnt a clue .


    They were obviously collecting taxes off breweries that made and supplied , Pubs that sold the stuff .


    Ok , the Smoking Ban as part of it , some peeps have quite now because of the high taxes put on Ciggies , so now they have lost revenue on that .


    So now they have to find revenue somewere else , well like a lot im a motorist paying £8 gallon ,


    And lots more peeps having extortionate prices on other things ,


    I realy dont know why they knackered up the Licencing trade .


  • Also don't forget that for the tied landlords, the brewers really do have them by the balls. They have to buy their beer from that one source and no other, at a far steeper rate than the landlord of a freehouse would (they can shop around). Free market? Bollocks.

  • I dont use pubs - not because of facebook
    But because i dont use alcohol and i really resent the price of soft drinks


    I dont want to sit in a pub with a widescreen TV, flashing slot machines, muzic that drowns out speech or being hit on by drunk men ........
    But i would like to go to a more continental style place that provides coffee, tea and snacks

  • I got talking to a old bloke today at work whos a semi retired gardener and he drinks quite a bit and he basicly said he just cant be arsed to go to the pub he said he can by wine or beer or spirits cheep sit at home by the fire and watch telly and smoke till he s blue in the face.


    he said when he went to his local he sat at the bar on his own and thought whats the point of this!


    this reminds me of when i used to work in a wetherspoons. it was mostly people eating in the day, and young people getting drunk in the evening (i say young people, but this includes people in their 30s who still act like 20 yr olds) and they'd generally be very drunk, rowdy and on occasion violent.
    but there was a smal handful of old men who would come in, sometmes a few of them 2gether, but often just one on his own, and sit at the bar (we would save the 'proper' beer mugs for them, the ones with the handles) and i always thought they seemed strange, coming there on their own, wanting to chat to us(the staff) or other people. and it seemed sad and oddly out of place, like they were still visiting a pub that didn't exist anymore, when people were sociable with strangers and flirting with the barmaids was innocent not creepy.



    I have to say, i find a lot of pubs quite intimidating places a lot of the time now. half of them seem to not know if they are a club or a pub and i can't stand clubs, they're noisy, smely, full of paralytic drunks and blokes who think the very nature of your being there means they can grope you. i like going out to be sociable, not to get destroyed :eek: (i've gone out to pubs with friends whilst pregnant and some people ask how i'm 'coping', do i miss it, oh you're allowed just one etc. uhm:S. the right pub can be a good atmosphere, and we don't actually die if we stop drinking. but that's prob a different rant lol)

    we reenact Noah's ancient drama, but in reverse, like a film running backwards, the animals exiting

  • I met a friend for lunch in a pub today, spent about £15 in 2 hours then said goodbye and thought I could have saved that £15 and spoken about exactly the same things with her on facebook and the like!! Sad but true.

  • Just one addidge to the licensee thing, my mum and dad said when we were kids alchohol could only be bought at the pub or the chemists, thus the pubs and brewerys really did cream in big profits, i can remember crates of bass at me mum and dads usually bought from the chemists or down the local because it was cheaper you know i guess for those groovy parties the old ones used to have. then off licences came into being putting a strain on the pubs a bit but they mainly sold wines and spirits then suddenly there was unregulated wholsale sale of booze everywhere and time 24 hours a day. I think the goverment has done a knee jerk reaction to this trying to clamp down on anti social behaviour etc but they have basicly nailed the pubs who to be fair have a strict licence to sell booze that has to be consumed on the premises. whereas the supermarkets peddle there booze a cheap prices and we all like a bargain. however they have fewer overheads bar staff etc and the alcohol can be taken off the premisses and consumed basicly unregulated ungarded by anyone. now most people i would say are resposible drinkers but the odds defo are stacked against the pub.


    The goverment doesnt think.


    Pubs they tax high
    beer higher tax
    spirits and wine stay the same. ie (arnt whiskeys and wine historically drunk by non working class) so is that going to make people drink more higher alcohol content drinks at home?


    Vat is a complete cock up


    so why the hell doesnt anyone do anything about it?


    Sorry rant over but i do think the goverment are complete idiots, cameron is berk oh god and osbourneee.


    Any way could a solution be met?? will in years to come will we be all misty eyes at the demise of our pubs?


    Could be a few things most of us arnt rolling in it at the mo and a bit like the last recession going out and boozing gets hit first.


    obviously those twits in no 10 arnt helping.


    but going out is changing.


    its more your age socio group. all organised on line on fb then to evnts festivals etc. and i guess we will all go with it just a pity the pubs cant keep going as part of this new wave of going out or going out in organised groups. I guess they may become dinosours or part of a history who knows?

  • My locals back in the day had table football, darts and bar billiards. They also had a public bar and a saloon. If you were having a posh night you used the lounge where the beer was a penny a pint more. Everyone played darts and all the other games. A quick game of cards was also not uncommon and it was sociable, I never saw a fight, it was unheard of. The supermarket did sell booze, but it shut at five, and the newsagent sold.....news? I don't recognize pubs these days, soulless places peddling booze you can get cheaper elsewhere, a good time not to be drinking.