Depression, Anxiety and SSRIs

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  • I meant it more for examples like over exaggerating teens (yes, there are exceptions), or people that can't cope with smallest of things.


    In my opinion I'd say that any teens who are over-exaggerating are probably the exceptions. There are an awful lot of teenagers who are genuinely horribly depressed. It's an awful time for many, many people. I was in a terrible state for most of my teenage years and into my twenties, and I know I wasn't an exception.

  • In my opinion I'd say that any teens who are over-exaggerating are probably the exceptions. There are an awful lot of teenagers who are genuinely horribly depressed. It's an awful time for many, many people. I was in a terrible state for most of my teenage years and into my twenties, and I know I wasn't an exception.


    Agreed. I was a horribly depressed teenager. I was never taken seriously because I was told it was being a teenager and I would grow out of it. i did not grow out of it.

  • Same here.


    When I say, 'over--exaggerated', I mean the type of kids that, 'OMG I HATE MY PARENTS AND MY LIFE', but have no problem shopping on their mothers' credit card and socialising with their mates.


    Basically, not depressed ones. I must suck at the internet or something.


  • At the moment I'm doing okay, I'm going through some really intense therapy, which is making things difficult for me. I'm still not eating brilliantly, but I'm working on things and I'm trying to remain as normal as I can. I'm usually pretty sound and sensible I think, but I've been more emotional and sensitive since the therapy began, I dwell on things more and my self esteem's really been effected.


    I'm assuming in time everything will improve, it's just trying to work out whether or not to take some tablets to help me out, or try and drive through things without any help. My main worry is the impact my anxiety is having on my family and friends, and what I can do about that, really. It's definitely affecting my relationships with people, but I don't know if being on medication will improve those relationships, or not.

  • In my experience of depressed friends, the opposite has been true. It's usually been a case of people begging for meds rather than doctors pushing them :shrug:


    My GP is very cautious about prescribing meds. I absolutely needed mine, no question about that, but he certainly didn't push them on me, and he spent about an hour sitting with me and talking about options, and referred me to two different specialists for their input as well (psychology services and gynaecology... my health problems are complicated! :p) and I had some really useful therapy with a psychologist to learn useful coping skills... and he has me come back for a chat every three months to see whether it's time to try withdrawing or changing the dosage, etc. and just to make sure I'm alright in general.


    He also prescribes homeopathic medicines and a lot of GPs now suggest St John's Wort (but not available on prescription as far as I know) and dietary changes as well - I imagine there's been a lot more research into these things, and the benefits of a more holistic approach. I'm not convinced by homeopathy, but the consultations are incredible - such detail and care. My GP combines this with more conventional treatments, and it's exactly what medicine should be.

  • (I've had some fucking horrendous NHS experiences, but credit where it's due - I think the medical establishment has realised the error in their short-sighted approach to depression and mental health in the past, and things are slowly changing... but some GPs are more progressive than others, of course)

  • De Elfie,


    I too suffer from depression because of bereavement and found that counselling really helped. I am a christian so it was easy for me to confide and talk to one of our preists but there are plenty of services available. I took fluoxetine and it helped but if you are in any doubt at all I would say do not take it. I am sorry that you feel so overwhelmed but you are not alone and I really sympathise. The feeling of being lost is one I know well and I hope that you feel better soon and can find some solutions, God Bless. Dollycat1

  • Lucky for the people who are getting proper advice!


    Just mention you are feeling a bit sad up here and whoosh - First set of Citalopram. Everyone's on 'em :S


  • And this post:I'll expand on the above a bit by saying that everything we stick into our bodies, whether food, drink or drug is going to have an effect on our overall physiology ... food and drugs both create chemical reactions in our bodies and brains, and the more "unnatural" something is, the more it'll affect us negatively in the long run..


    I agree entirely...you can change a lot with things like meditation and a good diet. Sugar alone can make our moods come crashing down! I also refused medication for same reasons, and instead chose a pathway that changed my perspective on what 'happiness' meant, things like buddhist philosophy really helped, and meditation has definitely tamed my anxiety...I have gone from someone that could barely leave the house alone, to someone who (almost) fits in like every other person..haha..:insane:

  • The problem with anti-depressants is that the root of depression can be biological or cognitive. If the problem lies in patterns of thought/behaviour, research evidence indicates CBT is the most effective treatment. If the cause is biological, the problem can lie in different neural systems (mainly, the dopamine and serotonin systems) - to select the right treatment you need to know where the problem lies. As well as knowing which neurotransmitter is involved, you need to know what the actual problem is - SSRIs increase the amount of neurotransmitter at the synapse, which won't address the problem if you don't have enough of the neurotransmitter in the first place. In that case, increasing levels (e.g. serotonin by taking 5HTP) is much more effective. Diet is definitely a factor - the body needs certain foods to produce neurotransmitters - a deficiency in tryptophan/tyrosine leads to a deficiency in serotonin/dopamine. Other deficiencies (e.g. vitamin B) have been reliably linked to depression too.



    http://www.naturalnews.com/025…depression_serotonin.html


    [URL='http://www.integrativepsychiatry.net/dopamine.html']http://www.integrativepsychiatry.net/dopamine.html


    [/URL]With regard to GPs, they do hand out far too many anti-depressants - not out of choice, but because the availability of other treatments is so low, they genuinely have no choice. They also have a fairly basic understanding of the systems involved, which makes their approach a bit hit and miss.


    My advice would be to look into dietary deficiencies that may be causal/contributory factors, increase your exercise (half an hour of exercise increases serotonin levels as much as an anti-depressant ... and have a read on the functions of the dopamine/serotonin systems - sometimes by comparing what a specific part of your brain does with the problems you're having you can locate and target the cause.

    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.


    Jiddu Krishnamurti

  • Firinne, you've been so helpful, thank you so much. I've already had CBT in the past, and it wasn't overly helpful (and I started having it for a second time, but then my counsellor changed her mind and decided I needed lots of talking therapy instead). Apparently Dialectical Behaviour Therapy is a good alternative choice, though it was developed primarily for people with BPD (which I don't have), it's supposedly also helpful for helping people overcome some issues which I'm experiencing, so I'm grabbing a DBT self-help book to see if I can make any progress with it while I'm on the psychology waiting list.

    The doctor has changed his mind about Prozac now, and has decided I should be taking Seroxat, which I know nothing about other than it was nearly pulled off the market a few years ago after a Panorama investigation which showed it was causing people to be suicidal :S. Does anybody here have any experience of it? At the moment I've been very determined about going it alone, so I'm just going to see how things turn out. I'm quite positive and I feel like I might have turned a corner lately, fingers crossed!!

  • No worries, glad to be able to help.


    I've heard very good things about DBT and very bad things about Seroxat, I knew someone who was taking it and developed blackouts and psychopathic behaviour and my mum (she's a clinical manager in a mental health hospital) advises everyone to steer clear of it. There were a number of cases of criminal/violent/suicidal behaviour linked to Prozac too, as people taking it seemed to just stop caring about anything.


    Have you ever tried 5HTP? That would be my first choice ... 5HTP, half an hour exercise and half an hour outdoors for some fresh air and sun every day. It may sound a bit hippy, but the body (including the brain, which is the physical basis of the mind) is very much like a machine ... it malfunctions when you put the wrong stuff in or let your reserves run too low.


    Good luck with the book and if you feel yourself wobbling, there's no shame or harm in giving the Mind helpline a call. T'is what they're there for :)

    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.


    Jiddu Krishnamurti

  • You can pick it up in Holland & Barratt, I'd recommend nabbing some Vitamin D & Vitamin B tablets while you're there :)

    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.


    Jiddu Krishnamurti

  • I have been on fluoxetine for 12 years, now started taking trazadone at night......it really doesn't make the hurt or sadness go away. I know I have to do it myself. but I'm not strong enough at the moment I have got worse through the years, I don't think I should stop fluoxetine because I'm afraid of becoming worse than Iam

  • The problem may be in the dopamine system, or it may be that there isn't enough serotonin there for the SSRI to work on. It's worth asking for a referral to a psychiatrist if you've been on them that long and it isn't helping. They're more expensive (and so, more difficult to get) but I've heard very good things about anti-depressants that target the serotonin and dopamine systems, so that's worth bringing up with them.

    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.


    Jiddu Krishnamurti

  • Thanks for your suggestions ferinne. I have been seeing a psychiatrist for some years now and while on fluoxetine I have tried various other meds. I also go to the hosp gym......but after all of that I can't function properly I'm comletely burnt out I don't do anything in the house my children have left now I do have a husband....but i refuse to do any chores anymore including cooking cleaning..is the a way to be tested if you have enough serotonin, I'll have to ask my psych....thanks for your reply but I think I'm a lost case xx

  • You're not a lost case Hariclia, it really isn't you - it's the lack of information and treatment options available in this country. Don't give up!


    Do you know the root of the depression, what kicked it off?


    Also, have you tried changing your diet to include more tryptophan, vitamin B, Vitamin D and (nearly forgot to mention this) omega oils? It does sound fluffy woo-woo, but what you put into your body is just as important as what you put into your brain. Ginseng can really help with the lack of energy, so is also worth a try. I often recommend gingko too, for the concentration difficulties that tend to come with depression.

    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.


    Jiddu Krishnamurti

  • Nearly forgot to add, do check with your psych if any of the meds you've tried so far also target the dopamine system. If you've tried SSRIs and they haven't worked, the problem's not serotonin reuptake. So, increasing serotonin levels by taking 5HTP or targeting the dopamine system with meds are the logical next steps.

    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.


    Jiddu Krishnamurti

  • THanks firinne for your very useful advice Iam seeing my psych on the 13th july so I will talk to him then, I have written your advice on paper because I may forget.....my problems started with life experiances and I have got to the point of no return can't handle anything anymore don;t cook, clean etc etc and also I feel Iam a waste of space. I do take B complex and vit D and more vitamins but not ginseng, I have started to go the hosp gym and that helps release a lot of frustration, I don't eat much........I hope everything is well with you hugs xxxxxx (by the way Iam 55 so life has ended for me I'm not young anymore don't have a problem with that its just that life has passed me by and I have done nothing at all what will my legacy be Nothing xx

  • THanks firinne for your very useful advice Iam seeing my psych on the 13th july so I will talk to him then, I have written your advice on paper because I may forget.....my problems started with life experiances and I have got to the point of no return can't handle anything anymore don;t cook, clean etc etc and also I feel Iam a waste of space. I do take B complex and vit D and more vitamins but not ginseng, I have started to go the hosp gym and that helps release a lot of frustration, I don't eat much........I hope everything is well with you hugs xxxxxx (by the way Iam 55 so life has ended for me I'm not young anymore don't have a problem with that its just that life has passed me by and I have done nothing at all what will my legacy be Nothing xx


    No need to thank me hon, I started studying psychology/neuroscience to help people like myself, who couldn't get anywhere with the information and support available. Just as happy to do it outside of work as in :)


    You know, it's natural to feel like a waste of space when you can't do anything, but bear in mind you are doing something. You're surviving and you're fighting back. A lot of people who have had difficult experiences leave behind them a legacy of abuse themselves, so don't be too hard on yourself. You might not have beat the feelings, but you haven't let the experiences change you into the thing you hate the most and that is unusual, definitely something to be proud of ... and you still have time.


    Without knowing what experiences you've had, it's difficult to offer any more advice, but if you'd like to talk more please feel free to PM me, I've been in the same space myself and I know what a struggle it is. If I can do anything to help, I'd be more than happy to :hug:

    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.


    Jiddu Krishnamurti

  • what is trytophan???


    It's one of the ingredients, so to speak, of serotonin. A fair few studies have found supplements improve symptoms, so it's probably worth taking, especially if you don't eat enough xx

    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.


    Jiddu Krishnamurti

  • I just want to say thankyou Firinne for all the info you've posted on this thread. I've been following it all with deep interest! And then done loads of internet searching....I've just been to buy some 5 htp cos I think it may help me. I got calcium magnesium and zinc too......anyway many many thanks x x x

  • I'm really glad to hear it was useful for you, hope the supplements help. Also bear in mind that once you start feeling a little stronger it's good to push yourself to go for a walk/do a bit of exercise .. it doesn't have to be huge, just whatever you can manage that day. Then, by slowly increasing up to a good half hour a day, you'll improve your serotonin levels even more ... while changing some of the habits that feed the depression at the same time. Finding time to do things you really take pleasure from, whether that's a hot bath or sitting under a tree feeding the birds, is really beneficial too :)

    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.


    Jiddu Krishnamurti

  • This weather isn't helping at all,I just have no strengh to do anything, it would be great to speak to someone who knows what this is like ......its sooo hard to explain to ANYONE who hasn't experianced real deppression, You sound like a really wonderful person firinne xxx

  • I can empathise, I suffer from M.E and the weather makes the aches and pains worse. I've found Vitamin D supplements and a bit of exercise (if you can manage it) help with the drop in mood when the weather's bad.


    I used to find it difficult to talk to people about depression too, much as in the same way as M.E people tend to assume if it's all in the mind then you should be able to overcome it, which just isn't true. I used to find people offered me sympathy (which is, of course, kind, but made me feel more like a weak victim). The worst thing for me was the false empathy you often get from counsellors and mental health professionals ... the calm "soothing" voice, open postures etc ... god knows how people expect you to find your inner strength when they're speaking to you in a baby voice! That's what made me want to go into mental health, really being able to empathise and say "I've been there and I get it". In ancient cultures you had to have battled something yourself and won to be able to guide others, just as you have to have visited a place to draw a map. I think that rule should still stand.


    I know people say it all the time because it's the "nice" thing to say, but if you think it'd help to talk you're genuinely welcome to drop me a message, even if it's just to say "this is how I feel today, this is what I've tried, any ideas". I can't promise I'll always have the answers, but I will listen and understand xxx


    And thanks ... that's a really kind thing to say :)

    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.


    Jiddu Krishnamurti